Massimiliano Allegri (1,218 Viewers)

[kappa96]

Allegri is right though. The expectations are unrealistic. We are currently going through one of the most successful spells in the clubs history. I do understand that the CL is an obsession for many Juve fans, but it's not healthy to evaluate everything through it. It's not like the players, coach and owners don't want it just like we do.

I have to say that I find the way some people talk about him pretty disgusting,. He has been hugely successful here and has given this club so much. It's fine to feel it's time for a change, but people are acting like he's a total turd these days. Which he clearly is not. Gratitude really isn't a virtue that is appreciated around here.

Why are the expectations so unrealistic?The type of football we play in the cl makes them that way.We played like underdogs in madrid and we lost like underdogs.Juve should treat atm like sampdoria atalana fiorentina and the likes not like some kind of superpower in football. In my case, against atm, i was expecting juve to go out there and play some good football, the try to win football, not the play for 0-0 and hope our individual brilliance gets us a goal out of nowhere .He already tried that and failed on a couple of ocassions with that tactic.His stubbornness is going to be our downfall in the competition.
Also remember our 0-3 to Madrid in Turin.We were underdogs then and we practically had the same game plan that backfired when they scored quickly .That saw our team dominate for long periods of time , but we failed to capitalise. We were unlucky.The atm loss hurts so much more than that 0-3, because it looked that we didn't even try, again until it was too late.
I totally expect another juve to show up as i also expect that by some miracle if we go 3-0 4-1 to employ our usual regressive brand of football.
I have huge respect for Allegri for all that he has done for this club, but if we fail to qualify his time should be up.

 

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[Snobist]

Ive critizited the guy 2-3 months ago before Atleti game because of our team was playing bad football. Most of you were making fun of me. I believe the big man will get us a comeback vs Atletico. If Barca could oveturn 4-0 vs PSG why cant we overturn a 2-0. Forza Allegri.

 

[JUVEMOOD]

True. CL is incredibly competitive and winning it clearly isn't as easy as some here seem to think.

Well,, no one ever said that it is easy and it does not need luck sometimes.
However, except against Barca in the final, in each match where we went out the following years, it was MOSTLY nothing to do with luck and I can highlight Max mistakes or his part of the blame.

Our current take on him that considering the team is much competitive than last year,, but we are playing badly and even did not try against ATM and fell into their only trap.

These arguments we are having here are normal,, as although many here do like Allegri and consider him a top 3 coach, those are mostly realistic people and also result orienter and pragmatic like Allegri himself, many others at the same time does not see anything special about him, Some me included do prefer a coach who take risks,, who take the initiative ALWAYS, who also build for the future. Winning 10 local titles with the teams we had and considering Italian football level,, I find nothing magical here.




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[JUVEMOOD]

I'm pretty sure he is disappointed and knows full well we weren't good enough in that game. He is just tired that everything is evaluated through the CL. He has been answering questions about that game for two weeks now. It was prematch presser for Napoli, one of our main rivals. Perhaps focus on that for a while.

It says much about how we evaluate his 10 local titles


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[Quetzalcoatl]

Rumours of Max at inter next season

 

[icemaη]

Rumours of Max at inter next season

I'd be surprised if he takes the Inter job. I think he'll go abroad. He has always maintained that his shelf life as a coach is going to be short.

 

[Hust]

I'd be surprised if he takes the Inter job. I think he'll go abroad. He has always maintained that his shelf life as a coach is going to be short.

Wasn't he studying English before? Pretty sure there is a pic of him having an Espresso with an English study book somewhere...

Here it is:

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I'd be surprised if he takes the Inter job. I think he'll go abroad. He has always maintained that his shelf life as a coach is going to be short.

He'd probably prefer Chelsea or Man U, but other than them I don't see many other options than inter, maybe Real.

Chelsea may be tired of Italian coaches at this point though and Man U may stick with Solksjaer.

For inter though, if not Max then Conte? That might be even worse actually

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

management should seriously consider sacking him right before the game. would be a huge boost for players.

 

[il brutto]

Peoples reactions on this very forum just proof how far we have come under his tutelage. Being able to win a CL was a really distant dream before he took over. Now if we don't win it it's considered a failure. Of course it has also been a collective effort by those in charge like Agnelli, Marotta and so on. Allegri was the one who brought the believe that we can compete against anyone. Before him I don't think there was that believe in the team and among the fans there certainly wasn't.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Peoples reactions on this very forum just proof how far we have come under his tutelage. Being able to win a CL was a really distant dream before he took over. Now if we don't win it it's considered a failure. Of course it has also been a collective effort by those in charge like Agnelli, Marotta and so on. Allegri was the one who brought the believe that we can compete against anyone. Before him I don't think there was that believe in the team and among the fans there certainly wasn't.

You keep saying that but I don't think many people feel that way

 

[X Æ A-12]

You keep saying that but I don't think many people feel that way

Seemed like more than enough felt our season was over after the loss to Atletico and we aren't even out of the CL yet

 

[il brutto]

You keep saying that but I don't think many people feel that way

I'm quite sure the general atmosphere here has been just that.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Seemed like more than enough felt our season was over after the loss to Atletico and we aren't even out of the CL yet

That's not the same as "not winning the CL"

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I'm quite sure the general atmosphere here has been just that.

Maybe I missed it, but haven't seen anyone say that

 

[GordoDeCentral]

That's not the same as "not winning the CL"

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Maybe I missed it, but haven't seen anyone say that

Lemme ask you this, what odds did you give us advancing past atleti when we first drew em

 

[JUVEMOOD]

Seemed like more than enough felt our season was over after the loss to Atletico and we aren't even out of the CL yet

When u know ur coach has no balls and no guts,, then it is normal we feel this way..

Even last year against Real at Turin,, the 3-0 is not necessary his fault.. game went wrong on so many level.. but this time at ATM,, it was his fault.. and our patience on his style and his game plans are over.

I have never been a fan,, and since last year I was hoping he leaves.. but considering that we always sold main players and always weakened the team.. it was only right that he continues and give him his chances with a really good team.. well he got it this year and yet he managed to keep us play shitty football and fall into traps each single year

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[Quetzalcoatl]

Lemme ask you this, what odds did you give us advancing past atleti when we first drew em

About 3:2, why? I'm not saying we should sack Max btw

 

[il brutto]

Maybe I missed it, but haven't seen anyone say that

Really? Should probably try keeping your eyes open next time you read

 

[IliveForJuve]

You keep saying that but I don't think many people feel that way

Agreed.

People see it as a failure because of the way we're crashing out of the CL. Even if we end up giving a good fight in the second leg, we already shot ourselves in the foot in the first game.

 

[Ventus]

Peoples reactions on this very forum just proof how far we have come under his tutelage. Being able to win a CL was a really distant dream before he took over. Now if we don't win it it's considered a failure. Of course it has also been a collective effort by those in charge like Agnelli, Marotta and so on. Allegri was the one who brought the believe that we can compete against anyone. Before him I don't think there was that believe in the team and among the fans there certainly wasn't.

It would be a failure if we don't win the CL. This was the reason we splashed out on Ronaldo. I think some of us are now desensitized by the fact we have him. If we splashed out on Messi next season would you not expect us to win the CL? Ronaldo for the past three years had won the CL and had eclipsed Messi, so there is no reason not to think that we were favourites.
The problem isn't the failure of not winning the CL, it's the fact that we could potentially be going out in the last 16. That's not just a failure, that's a disaster!

Secondly, it's flawed logic to justify keeping Allegri's because of his past. In 2012 none of us expected us to win the league with Conte but it was clear by 2014 that he had taking us as far as he can go. Likewise with Allegri, sure he made us a powerhouse in Europe but he has taking us as far as he can go. We now need someone fresh like Zidane who can take us the extra mile.

What's most frustrating about Allegri, is his inability to learn from his mistakes. He has an underdog mentality despite having the GOAT on his team. The loss against Man Utd should have been a warning about inviting pressure but he hasn't learned again.

I respect Allegri and all he has done but if we do go out in March then it should be curtains.

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Agreed.

People see it as a failure because of the way we're crashing out of the CL. Even if we end up giving a good fight in the second leg, we already shot ourselves in the foot in the first game.

Allow me to blunt, it is a failure. You don't buy Ronaldo and not expect to win the CL.