Massimiliano Allegri (502 Viewers)

[juve103423]

So your prediction was that we'll lose some games during the season? Not sure anyone predicted any different.

I'm pretty sure your prediction has been that Allegri is terrible and we are doomed. That has been the wrong prediction for each of the four seasons he has been here.

His sign up date is 2016, he wasnt even here 4 seasons ago haha. Pretty sure you have no idea what you are talking about. Only thing you are saying is that we won Serie A the last 4 seasons. Thats some real knowledge you are sharing with us. That tells us a lot about the current state of the team and how we will fare this season.

 

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[DS8_Montero]

Guys, if Allegri leaves this club, Juventus will fall into the next dark age of their history, like it happened to many big teams after their legendary managers left them.

The only guy that can supposedly prevent this outcome is Zidane, who will also need the world class squad in all the lines, not only in attack. So why not simply give it to Max? There's no shortcuts around it anyway. This is what has to be done, regardless who's at the helm of the team.

Also, even if we put aside our discrepancies in what we think about managers like Guardiola or Klopp, let's not act as if Juventus are ready to spend what it takes to bring them here in terms of money.

 

[Wittl]

Cringe

 

[Vlad]

Because we got the best player in the world plus Cancelo but we are playing worst than anytime under Allegri.

And this year is our best chance for us to win UCL, but we are playing like shit and there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

Are we always playing like shit? Bc If went back to read some posts, Id think we never played a good game under Allegri. There is a guy claiming we were running on Conte's fumes in 2017/18, players that have never played under Conte apparently learned some attacking pattern during his training sessions. You know guys like Khedira, Pjanic, Mario, Dybala, Higuain, Cuadrado, Alves, Sandro...

Then Im amazed that some members think we dont have some kind of playbook and practice during training sessions. What do u think happens over there? Allegri gives them a ball and says: raggazzi lets play 5 vs 5, while Im off to fuck some hoes. See u in an hour an a half".

Take a step back and try to rationalize a bit. This isnt the end of the world, or our cycle. A lot will depend on what goes on in the CL in a few weeks. We have time to adress issues, which are obviously present. The last night's loss also in no way should undermine what this team has done over the last 4 years. Respect that.

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Guys, if Allegri leaves this club, Juventus will fall into the next dark age of their history, like it happened to many big teams after their legendary managers left them.

The only guy that can supposedly prevent this outcome is Zidane, who will also need the world class squad in all the lines, not only in attack. So why not simply give it to Max? There's no shortcuts around it anyway. This is what has to be done, regardless who's at the helm of the team.

Also, even if we put aside our discrepancies in what we think about managers like Guardiola or Klopp, let's not act as if Juventus are ready to spend what it takes to bring them here in terms of money.

Bro, from one extreme to another. We would be just fine without Allegri, like we were fine without hundreds of previous coaches. Life goes on

 

[Suns]

Problem is that we've looked like ass all season long even though we've managed to win, mostly through great defense. We've not had a dominating win in a long, long time.

Also, what is up with teams we play against put extremely high pressure on us during the 1st half? We just end up never establishing any type of rhythm which makes us look bad the rest of the game. We need to figure that one out as well.

 

[DS8_Montero]

Bro, from one extreme to another. We would be just fine without Allegri, like we were fine without hundreds of previous coaches. Life goes on

Not sure about that . I still have a light PTSD after Lippi left the club for the 2nd time.

 

[duranfj]

Blame only Max rigth now for our current level is unfair to say the least. He didn't sell Benatia, he didn't stand still while our MF was tearing apart and we keep putting money on players like DC and Berna and didn't invest any money on quality MF players.

Our game plan relays 100% on our FB and Paulo pushing the ball forward and at the best a couple of long ball from Pjanic and Bonbon per game.

However, yesterday defeat it's 100% on him, not because our board left him without a quality CB as back-up or Chiello injured, or our mid table level MF, it's because he said he wouldn't play 3-MF again without Pjanic and that was exactly what he did. He betrayed himself and let us naked against a high tempo team as Atalanta. Luckily, he's a very smart man so I know he would fix it before Atletico and if we failed it won't be for this silly mistake he made yesterday, it would be for a new one

 

[JCK]

Problem is that we've looked like ass all season long even though we've managed to win, mostly through great defense. We've not had a dominating win in a long, long time.

Also, what is up with teams we play against put extremely high pressure on us during the 1st half? We just end up never establishing any type of rhythm which makes us look bad the rest of the game. We need to figure that one out as well.

It happens because we got figured out and this is exactly why Allegri has to change system to surprise the opponents.

 

[Juliano13]

Problem is that we've looked like ass all season long even though we've managed to win, mostly through great defense. We've not had a dominating win in a long, long time.

Also, what is up with teams we play against put extremely high pressure on us during the 1st half? We just end up never establishing any type of rhythm which makes us look bad the rest of the game. We need to figure that one out as well.

It just seems that way from some angles.

 

[Hydde]

Blame only Max rigth now for our current level is unfair to say the least. He didn't sell Benatia, he didn't stand still while our MF was tearing apart and we keep putting money on players like DC and Berna and didn't invest any money on quality MF players.

Our game plan relays 100% on our FB and Paulo pushing the ball forward and at the best a couple of long ball from Pjanic and Bonbon per game.

However, yesterday defeat it's 100% on him, not because our board left him without a quality CB as back-up or Chiello injured, or our mid table level MF, it's because he said he wouldn't play 3-MF again without Pjanic and that was exactly what he did. He betrayed himself and let us naked against a high tempo team as Atalanta. Luckily, he's a very smart man so I know he would fix it before Atletico and if we failed it won't be for this silly mistake he made yesterday, it would be for a new one

He has like 5 years here... and you are telling me that he as a coach cannot sit down with AA and Beppe and ask for players?

You know why we play shid football? because we just use workhorses on midfield. You know why? because allegri sees that fit. Thats all about it.

AA and Beppe are at fault, but so is allegri for not at the very least asking for the units the team needs. If he doesnt do that, and instead is happy with Matuidi and Khedira, ITS HIS faukt.

 

[.zero]

meltdown

 

[DS8_Montero]

It happens because we got figured out and this is exactly why Allegri has to change system to surprise the opponents.

I cannot agree more that this is what the manager has to do when his system is not able to bewilder opponents anymore.

The problem is that Allegri has to solve not only this problem. He's not in a normal situation when he has a well-balanced team and has some real space to change the plan without losing the balance.

We all agree that the midfield is the weakest link of the chain while it has to be the strongest one if the team intend to dominate Europe. But there are two different opinions about the level of this midfield. Some of us say that its level is disgraceful, the others say it's not that bad.

OK, let's take a look at what Allegri has:
- Pjanic - top level, would be a starter in any team in the world when he's in the right state of mind and body;
- Matuidi - top level, but from the functional perspective he's a player of the previous generations, because his role is too narrow. He's one of the best in the world at getting the ball back, but that's about it, he's very awkward with the ball after he got it back;
- Bentancur - will become a top player, but still very raw;
- Khedira - former world class player, now too slow, weak and injury-prone;
- Can - il nuovo Sturaro.

So, this midfield has only 2 top players ready to play here and now at the top team. Allergi used both of them mercilessly. Remember why Pjanic missed recent games? Allegri told it directly: the guy burned out after the long run. Is this not a clear signal for Nedved and Paratici?

At the same time, Max has an abundance of wingers. When they aren't even that important since he's got two excellent fullbacks. The imbalance is obvious.

The squad is so imbalanced that Max has to use Dybala as a midfielder, even though we all saw that he flourishes best as a striker.

Max does everything he can. The ball is not on his side. It's the management who had to respond to the situation but already failed to do that.

 

[Hydde]

I cannot agree more that this is what the manager has to do when his system is not able to bewilder opponents anymore.

The problem is that Allegri has to solve not only this problem. He's not in a normal situation when he has a well-balanced team and has some real space to change the plan without losing the balance.

We all agree that the midfield is the weakest link of the chain while it has to be the strongest one if the team intend to dominate Europe. But there are two different opinions about the level of this midfield. Some of us say that its level is disgraceful, the others say it's not that bad.

OK, let's take a look at what Allegri has:
- Pjanic - top level, would be a starter in any team in the world when he's in the right state of mind and body;
- Matuidi - top level, but from the functional perspective he's a player of the previous generations, because his role is too narrow. He's one of the best in the world at getting the ball back, but that's about it, he's very awkward with the ball after he got it back;
- Bentancur - will become a top player, but still very raw;
- Khedira - former world class player, now too slow, weak and injury-prone;
- Can - il nuovo Sturaro.

So, this midfield has only 2 top players ready to play here and now at the top team. Allergi used both of them mercilessly. Remember why Pjanic missed recent games? Allegri told it directly: the guy burned out after the long run. Is this not a clear signal for Nedved and Paratici?

At the same time, Max has an abundance of wingers. When they aren't even that important since he's got two excellent fullbacks. The imbalance is obvious.

The squad is so imbalanced that Max has to use Dybala as a midfielder, even though we all saw that he flourishes best as a striker.

Max does everything he can. The ball is not on his side. It's the management who had to respond to the situation but already failed to do that.

Like i said before, players do not appear in a team from night to day...theres is a process of selecting players every summer. No sane coach would stay quiet summer after summer and letting the board dismember or do what they please with his squad. Any respectable coach would simply say "ok we are not in unison with my perspective of football" and would quit.

Allegri has been OK with the garbage the board threw to him...and that makes him culprit. When the transfers plan starts...the coach in theory should tell the board the vision his has for the team...the technical part and which players he would need for that.


5 years have passed FIVE, and he has not been able to raise his voice at least once and say "hey something is not right on the midfield dudes".

Ill not buy that theory about Allegri being a victim,. if he is happy with Khedira and Can, is his fault. The final product we see is exactly the vision of football he has.

 

[DS8_Montero]

Ill not buy that theory about Allegri being a victim,. if he is happy with Khedira and Can, is his fault. The final product we see is exactly the vision of football he has.

Here are the facts. Juventus had some plans to improve the squad (SMS rumors, etc.). Then they were offered to buy CR7, which derailed all the previous plans. Once in a lifetime opportunity and all that stuff, you know. It's clear that CR7 was president's and his closest friends' from the management move. Max didn't have the position to say "no". Beppe had it, and, coincidentally, was basically fired several months later.

That's all we can see from the distance. It's up to everyone to decide how to interpret these facts and who's responsible for the current situation.

 

[Hydde]

Here are the facts. Juventus had some plans to improve the squad (SMS rumors, etc.). Then they were offered to buy CR7, which derailed all the previous plans. Once in a lifetime opportunity and all that stuff, you know. It's clear that CR7 was president's and his closest friends' from the management move. Max didn't have the position to say "no". Beppe had it, and, coincidentally, was basically fired several months later.

That's all we can see from the distance. It's up to everyone to decide how to interpret these facts and who's responsible for the current situation.

But that was THIS season, and is the only one that i can sincerely say that allegri was handtied because no matter what he said.. CR7 was going to be bought and funds were going to be spend....

But Allegri doesnt started being coach of Juventus this year... he has 5 years here.

 

[DS8_Montero]

But Allegri doesnt started being coach of Juventus this year... he has 5 years here.

That's true. And previous years it wasn't like this year, right? He won all the domestic titles when tournaments were much more competitive than now, and those 2 CL finals weren't lost because Allegri did something wrong.

Before this season the team had to be rebuilt anew, it was in the air. But then CR7 happened, and Max was put in the position when he had only two options: either accept it or quit. He's a smart guy, and he knew that he can still try to get the result with this team + CR7. So he gave it a try. Nobody else would get a better result in the very same circumstances. There's simply not enough room for this.

 

[Signora Omicidi]

So your prediction was that we'll lose some games during the season? Not sure anyone predicted any different.

I'm pretty sure your prediction has been that Allegri is terrible and we are doomed. That has been the wrong prediction for each of the four seasons he has been here.

I have been here for almost 10 years but decided to sign up in 2016.
If you were the regular reader of this theater in recent months you would have seen my post where i said there are worrying signs in our way of playing.

I said these elements of obvious weaknesses will bite us in very important time of the year. But pro Allegri refused to believe this and said we are still playing in 3 competitions so shut up every one!

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Ruiz and Zielinski would for sure. You know attacking b2b CMs who can actually drive, create, pass to teammate instead of opponents?

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Well you know me well enough to know that I've been unhappy with our midfield since Vidal was sold

 

[Hydde]

Well you know me well enough to know that I've been unhappy with our midfield since Vidal was sold

Now in hindsight, selling that alcoholic mofo has hurted us dearly on the long run.

We had our reasons and is easy to prey on the board for selling him..... But gosh, i would sell 3 of our midfielders right now to get that drunk oldman.

This desperate i am.

 

[Nedved96]

Can anyone explain how exactly Guardiola, Klopp, Sarri, or any other manager would play their fancy football with this midfield?

Henderson, Wijnaldum and Milner is worse than our midfield.