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campionesidd

Senior Member
Mar 16, 2013
17,136
Assuming we play our best lineup, we have Mandzukic, Cuadrado, Bernardeschi, Marchisio, Bentancur, Sturaro, Rugani, Barzagli, Lichtsteiner, Asamoah and Szczesny on the bench. Our bench would probably finish top 4 in Serie A.

Take that into account if you want to compare Allegri's performances in Europe to those of Sarri. It's pretty obvious that Sarri put all his eggs in Serie A's basket in both 2015/16 and 2017/18. The one season when they were not title contenders (2016/17), Napoli's performance in Europe was respectable.
As always, you continue to make pathetic excuses for anyone not named Allegri.
 

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May 23, 2013
4,312
It’s pretty crazy how everyone is so ready to dump a man that has made us relevant in Europe and has won THREE domestic doubles in a row.

I hope you guys realize this man has had us punching way above our weight for the last three years right? In terms of squad quality we were never in the bracket of Madrid, Barca, or Bayern. It is Allegri who put us there.
 

pitbull

Senior Member
Jul 26, 2007
11,045
That's the extreme end of the spectrum Bro. However, tell me, did you enjoy our performance against Spurs? Did you like seeing Spurs camped out in our half after the 15th minute of the 1st half, and enjoying close to 70% possession? Isn't that embarrassing? We weren't able to keep the ball, and we were playing at home. It's one thing to defend a 2 goal lead, and another to retreat into your half of the pitch completely. Frankly, it was disgusting. Defend, but no need to go full retard and defend that deeply, especially against a team with pace and technical ability who possess obvious vulnerabilities in defense.
We defended that deeply because we had no plan on how to build attacks out of the back, it was a strange line-up from Max. Not that he had a lot of good options to choose from anyway, but I think this is one of the few decisive games over the years were he didn't get the maximum performance out of the team he had at his disposal and it's strange because usually he does.

We could play this game again with the same lineups and we might win because of Spurs atrocious defending, but I believe we'd again suffer for long periods of the game because Berna as a RM needs better guys to link up with than DS and Khedira, Costa isn't a CAM and Mandžukič shouldn't play when he's injured. I'm glad that Higuain is inform, with the slow and depressed Higuain from few months ago we'd be out of this tie by now
 

campionesidd

Senior Member
Mar 16, 2013
17,136
Assuming we play our best lineup, we have Mandzukic, Cuadrado, Bernardeschi, Marchisio, Bentancur, Sturaro, Rugani, Barzagli, Lichtsteiner, Asamoah and Szczesny on the bench. Our bench would probably finish top 4 in Serie A.

Take that into account if you want to compare Allegri's performances in Europe to those of Sarri. It's pretty obvious that Sarri put all his eggs in Serie A's basket in both 2015/16 and 2017/18. The one season when they were not title contenders (2016/17), Napoli's performance in Europe was respectable.
Losing to Besiktas at home and then getting pimped 6-2 by Real is respectable, but losing a CL final is worthy of getting you fired. Nice logic there, genius. :tup:
 

B3N

Floro Fckin' Flores
May 16, 2010
6,721
Screw everyone says we don't have an elite team. Higuain, Dybala, Mandzukic, Cuad, Costa, Berna.. that's close to 300MIL spent on only attackers. Whomever thinks that way can go fuck themselves including Allegri.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
34,783
Screw everyone says we don't have an elite team. Higuain, Dybala, Mandzukic, Cuad, Costa, Berna.. that's close to 300MIL spent on only attackers. Whomever thinks that way can go fuck themselves including Allegri.
psg spent 400m on two players, still, their defense is far from elite.

we lack quality in the midfield, it's not that hard to see. when you play a cl knockout match, and one of your mids has 7 (ffs :D i still can't get over it) accurate passes with an accuracy of 53%, and the other's accuracy is below 70%, when it's usually around 90%, you know that something's very, very wrong. and if you consider that your injured mid is not one of modric, pogba, saul niguez, nainggolan, but 30-year-old, poor man's vidal matuidi, it makes the whole situation look a bit worse.

i won't be happy with only emre can joining the team in the summer. we should also get fabinho.
 

Vialli_92

Senior Member
Mar 7, 2013
6,505
Our midfield with Matuidi has been very good, the problem was when he is missing we have 3 starting mids that are too static
We should never go back to the midfield two
It worked last year partly because we had a super human Mandzukic, Cuadrado that worked hard on the other wing and Bonucci that aided the midfield.
Guardiola would be able to put a defender or striker as a midfielder and that player would look like he has played there his whole life

Say what you want about Guardiola but he improves his players and gives them confidence like no other coach does
 

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Floro Fckin' Flores
May 16, 2010
6,721
psg spent 400m on two players, still, their defense is far from elite.

we lack quality in the midfield, it's not that hard to see. when you play a cl knockout match, and one of your mids has 7 (ffs :D i still can't get over it) accurate passes with an accuracy of 53%, and the other's accuracy is below 70%, when it's usually around 90%, you know that something's very, very wrong. and if you consider that your injured mid is not one of modric, pogba, saul niguez, nainggolan, but 30-year-old, poor man's vidal matuidi, it makes the whole situation look a bit worse.

i won't be happy with only emre can joining the team in the summer. we should also get fabinho.
Unlike PSG, we have possibly the best goalkeeper lineup in Europe, a very solid defence and we also have good options in midfield too, but with a more stacked mid we would be a freakin powerhouse, and frankly there's no side in Europe currently that fields superstars in every single position.
Bottom line, just because this Juve plays like a 2nd tier team doesn't make it one in reality.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
35,613
Screw everyone says we don't have an elite team. Higuain, Dybala, Mandzukic, Cuad, Costa, Berna.. that's close to 300MIL spent on only attackers. Whomever thinks that way can go fuck themselves including Allegri.
Its weaker than last season though. Undoubtedly.
 

DAiDEViL

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2015
65,362
Screw everyone says we don't have an elite team. Higuain, Dybala, Mandzukic, Cuad, Costa, Berna.. that's close to 300MIL spent on only attackers. Whomever thinks that way can go fuck themselves including Allegri.
Our midfield though...Happens to be an important part in football.

Especially if you lose two players like that cunt Alves and Bonucci, who both can contribute in build up play and basically act as 2nd playmakers if our mid is marked out of the game. DeS and Benatia? Not so much.
 

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Floro Fckin' Flores
May 16, 2010
6,721
Its weaker than last season though. Undoubtedly.
Nah, I'll go with a set of speedy, technical wingers over a washed up right back. Benatia in this form is not much of a downgrade over Bonucci either.
Now when and if we sell Dybala and Alex Sandro, I may agree with you, though gotta see who they are being replaced with.
Our midfield though...Happens to be an important part in football.

Especially if you lose two players like that cunt Alves and Bonucci, who both can contribute in build up play.
We did do a semi milan, but even our current midfield we should expect more.
 

DAiDEViL

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2015
65,362
That washed up RB, no matter how much of a cunt he was, is still miles ahead of the likes of DeSciglio.

And whilst Benatia can be a rock at the back, and is probably better at actually defending than Bonucci, he can't contribute in build up play like Bonucci did.
It's not really about missing steel in defense, but about missing important options in build up play.
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The ball has to reach your speedy players before they can do something with it.
The first 11 is weaker than last season, i don't get how this is even up for debate to be honest.
 

pitbull

Senior Member
Jul 26, 2007
11,045
Unlike PSG, we have possibly the best goalkeeper lineup in Europe, a very solid defence and we also have good options in midfield too, but with a more stacked mid we would be a freakin powerhouse, and frankly there's no side in Europe currently that fields superstars in every single position.
Bottom line, just because this Juve plays like a 2nd tier team doesn't make it one in reality.
With a stacked midfield? Maybe we should start with having a simple midfield before moving onto having quality backups to our midfield? Because all we got right now is out of form Pjanič, injured Matuidi and a bunch of backups, we play like a 2nd tire team because we have a 3rd tire midfield and there's not much Allegri can do about it until Pjanič finds his form from a year ago and Matuidi returns to being healthy.
 

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Floro Fckin' Flores
May 16, 2010
6,721
That washed up RB, no matter how much of a cunt he was, is still miles ahead of the likes of DeSciglio.
And whilst Benatia can be a rock at the back, and is probably better at actually defending than Bonucci, he can't contribute in build up play like Bonucci did.

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The ball has to reach your speedy players before they can do something with it.
Dude, beside Chiellini (whose passing anyway I always thought is underrated) none of back four lack in technique and ball control. Reason we struggle in possession is not because of not having Bonucci there. Did spurs have a regista in defence to control the game and get back to it the way they did? no, it's because their back four had all the time in the world and where never under any sort of pressure.
Allegri himself never believed in creating from the back. He sacrificed Pirlo for someone like van bommel, he likes his forwards and wings to be more involved in the build up. For the first time Marotta built a team to the coach's requirements. MDS is his choice of transfer. There's no excuse for the way we play.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
35,613
That 'washed up right back happened to be one of our best players in the CL knockouts. Would love to see De Sciglio reach the performance level of that washed up right back which is unlikely.

Last year we had the perfect balance. We just lacked the depth. A Bernardeschi or Costa to come off the bench. This year we have both but at the expense of losing out on our starters. As I said earlier, we now have Chiellini to play out from the back. Chiellini....

And what about the current set of players ? Khedira, Mandzukic, Buffon even Chiellini are performing like washed up players. Sandro is half the player of last season. The problem is the core of our performing players happen to be older ones and with age they're showing signs of decline kinda like Inter after they won the CL.

Next year when our new signings have fully integrated we'd have a better team but there's no shame in admitting this starting eleven is not as good as last season's peak.

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Oh I'd take the Bonucci at Juve over the Benatia at Juve for sure. Last season he was world class for us.
 

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Floro Fckin' Flores
May 16, 2010
6,721
With a stacked midfield? Maybe we should start with having a simple midfield before moving onto having quality backups to our midfield? Because all we got right now is out of form Pjanič, injured Matuidi and a bunch of backups, we play like a 2nd tire team because we have a 3rd tire midfield and there's not much Allegri can do about it until Pjanič finds his form from a year ago and Matuidi returns to being healthy.
Dude, I remember even with Vidal and Pogba we got outplayed by a mediocre fiorentina side that had valero and that Croatian dude whose name I don't remember(exactly, a nobody) pulling the strings.

Everyone cries over this super midfield that we supposedly should have. I don't believe it's the case with personnel.

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OK, got it. Bonucci and Alves are the reasons we may go out against Tottenham. Good day fellas.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
35,613
OK, got it. Bonucci and Alves are the reasons we may go out against Tottenham. Good day fellas.
Nice strawman argument there.

I'm discussing how this team compares to last season and like it or not , the starting eleven has gotten weaker. Not just by losing starters but also the older players are underperforming/declining. That was my point.
 

pitbull

Senior Member
Jul 26, 2007
11,045
Dude, I remember even with Vidal and Pogba we got outplayed by a mediocre fiorentina side that had valero and that Croatian dude whose name I don't remember(exactly, a nobody) pulling the strings.

Everyone cries over this super midfield that we supposedly should have. I don't believe it's the case with personnel.

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OK, got it. Bonucci and Alves are the reasons we may go out against Tottenham. Good day fellas.
If you're referring to that 4:2 game against Fiorentina in 2013, that team had Valero and Pizzarro pulling the strings in midfield, some of the smartest midfielders in Serie A in the past decade and it's not like they didn't have guys to pass to, Guisseppe Rossi and Cuadrado were probably at the best point in their careers that season.

You seriously don't think we have a midfield problem?
 

MrMonkey

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2017
4,412
So now we suck cause we have defensive players who can't be offensive enough to protect a suspect MF contingent? LOL! How about having a better MF contingent to choose from? The defense seems to be playing better as the year goes on, so maybe we should have kept Bonucci and Alves and installed them into the lineup as MFers? LOL!
 

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