Which top 5 league winners over the past decade, other than Juventus, deployed a slow, mostly defensive approach? Liverpool, City, Real, Barca, Bayern, PSG, Chelsea, et cetera. Even Conte's Chelsea didn't sit back and hope to nick a 1-0. Even Leicester City had a balanced game and wasn't just sit back and hope like the current Juventus stilo.
There's a difference between being balanced and being outright god-awful to watch, which is what we are. We don't have much quality either, unless you prefer watching 11 men behind the ball.
But why are you so obsessed with Allegri and the current team, I am not talking about that.
Did Juventus from 5 years ago deploy a hope to nick 1-0 style?
I never mentioned this current team, you took my general statement about football styles to mean I am somehow defending Allegri or whatever.
First of all - Idc about style. I enjoy good defense as much as I enjoy good offense. So if Allegri was every truly awful as people describe it I wouldn't fight that because Idc, I don't take being ugly and defensive as an insult (again not talking about this current team)
Second of all - We are not winning right now because of style and we weren't losing earlier because of style. We are winning now because we got a little bit healthier, we are much better physically and mentally and everyone cares and is pulling in the same direction
If people prefer to sit back and defend all game long because that's the style they enjoy, fine, whatever. But don't blow smoke up people's asses by normalizing farting around for 85 minutes struggling against inferior opponents at home is something acceptable. The whole point of the game is to score and win.
Again, WHERE?
You took my general statement and built it in your head as something related to Allegri. You're obsessed.
The whole point of the game is to win. End of. HOW you do it makes no fucking difference whatsoever. Whether you like it or not doesn't matter, but winning slow, ugly, fast or exciting does not change the fact it's 3 pts at the end of the day. Whole point.
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If we look to the Juve of the past decade: we became really good when our style of play was obvious. Conte’s high squad discipline in the 352 with wingbacks and b2b midfielders who penetrated the opponents defence launched a great era.
The 2015 adjustment of Allegri employing the 4312 with all our best midfielders playing, pretty balanced overal but he got the best out of Vidal and Tevez giving them freedom.
Or in 2017 when he switched to 4231, overal a very attacking setup where we exploited the wings and with Dybala as 10 who could work his magic.
I do think that there’s a correlation between a style of play that fits the team and good results. And I don’t think that it’s something strange. There’s a reason why some styles became famous: totaalvoetbal, catenaccio, tiki taka, gegenpressing etc. But it all comes down to having a group of players who are capable to execute a certain style, for example Sarri playing tiki taka with Matuidi and Sandro is hopeless. Tiki taka did not only elevate Barcelona, it made Spain win 3 major tournaments in a row.
Right now this team is still to much in development to execute a certain style . Allegri wants to win and rightfully so, overal he clearly worked on the mental aspect and the defence. Maybe when everyone is fit we’ll see a more defined approach than just winning.
We became really good when we had a set way of playing yes, but it didn't matter what way of playing that was. We did it in different ways but we were good because we had a good team, good coach etc. Not because Allegri chose a specific style and said this is going to make us good. He adapted to the team and that's the key. It is important to have a way of playing, but not what kind of style it is.
Yes, the reason those styles became popular is because they won. They had great players, great coaches and won titles while being aesthetically pleasing. And they didn't become popular because of the style but because of the players being capable of playing a certain way. As you said you put Matuidi in there it burns down, but there are other ways of playing where he can more than contribute.
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