Massimiliano Allegri (282 Viewers)

[Juventino[RUS]]

A mixture of both i would say. However Allegri cant use the players as a scapegoat for this dreadful football forever. At some point he will have to accept what he has to work with and make them perform in some way. Hopefully starting as early as the start of the next season

Yesterday Jurgen has wanted to give the ball away, sit at the back and counter attack via long balls to Mane, Jota and Salah to protect their 2-0 lead but what did he get instead? 0-2. Why? Partly because Villarreal was playing really agressive and partly because Keita, Fabinho and even Thiago are not capable of spamming long balls or lobbed through balls behind defending line, especially while being underpressure (look at the numbers after 1st half long balls 9/36 25%) and this plan has failed. I think that Klopp knew all the problems that Liverpool will have with tactics like this and he definitely didn't expect that they will concede 2 goals after simple crosses but it's just shows to us that even Liverpool that was left without the ball and without gegenpressing, Liverpool that sits at the back and do nothing is a pretty vulnerable team even against Villarreal. So yes, tactics do matter and Juventus that sits at the back, Juventus that doesn't use gegenpressing, Juventus that tries to utilize players on their unnatural position will forever suffer and its COACH'S job to make things work.

 

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[GiocataGrande]

Yesterday Jurgen has wanted to give the ball away, sit at the back and counter attack via long balls to Mane, Jota and Salah to protect their 2-0 lead but what did he get instead? 0-2. Why? Partly because Villarreal was playing really agressive and partly because Keita, Fabinho and even Thiago are not capable of spamming long balls or lobbed through balls behind defending line, especially while being underpressure (look at the numbers after 1st half long balls 9/36 25%) and this plan has failed. I think that Klopp knew all the problems that Liverpool will have with tactics like this and he definitely didn't expect that they will concede 2 goals after simple crosses but it's just shows to us that even Liverpool that was left without the ball and without gegenpressing, Liverpool that sits at the back and do nothing is a pretty vulnerable team even against Villarreal. So yes, tactics do matter and Juventus that sits at the back, Juventus that doesn't use gegenpressing, Juventus that tries to utilize players on their unnatural position will forever suffer.

Indeed, but what sets Liverpool apart from us is they have the ability to adapt: we dont seem to have that, at least not this season. It takes way long before we find some urgency and start chasing desperately when the match is dying out. Liverpool/Klopp identified the problems yesterday and already started making changes in the early 2nd half that eventually turned the game around.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Indeed, but what sets Liverpool apart from us is they have the ability to adapt: we dont seem to have that, at least not this season. It takes way long before we find some urgency and start chasing desperately when the match is dying out. Liverpool/Klopp identified the problems yesterday and already started making changes in the 2nd half that eventually turned the game around.

Exactly and Allegri has failed to do it since 2017. There is simply no plan B in his squad, if things go wrong its over - Ajax 1-2, Atletico 0-2, Real Madrid 0-3, Villarreal 0-3, even against Spurs it was a fucking disaster, you simply can't bottle 2-0 lead that you have earned after just 10!!! minutes of play.

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That's not the point. The point is there was very clear improvement in the second half of the season.

Very clear that we've lost only 1 match. Other than that nothing has changed. We do play like shit.

 

[GiocataGrande]

Exactly and Allegri has failed to do it since 2017. There is simply no plan B in his squad, if things go wrong its over - Ajax 1-2, Atletico 0-2, Real Madrid 0-3, Villarreal 0-3, even against Spurs it was a fucking disaster, you simply can't bottle 2-0 lead that you have earned after just 10!!! minutes of play.

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Very clear that we've lost only 1 match. Other than that nothing has changed. We do play like shit.

A lot of eyes will be on Allegri next season so he will be under pressure. I like Max and hopes he can prove people wrong, but there is no room for sentimental thinking any longer: This season has been utterly shit from a playing perspective and a failure speaking of results as well ( even with all the injuries, loss of R7 etc). Continuing in a similar way going forward is completely unacceptable.

 

[juve123]

Indeed, but what sets Liverpool apart from us is they have the ability to adapt: we dont seem to have that, at least not this season. It takes way long before we find some urgency and start chasing desperately when the match is dying out. Liverpool/Klopp identified the problems yesterday and already started making changes in the 2nd half that eventually turned the game around.

It did help that villareal keeper made couple of howlers but yeah i agree that Klopp was more proactive in terms of changes rather than waiting for things to happen.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

A lot of eyes will be on Allegri next season so he will be under pressure. I like Max and hopes he can prove people wrong, but there is no room for sentimental thinking any longer: This season has been utterly shit from a playing perspective and a failure speaking of results as well ( even with all the injuries, loss of R7 etc). Continuing in a similar way going forward is completely unacceptable.

Sure, leapfrog of coaches is destroying any team. No results in august-november before the WC starts should mean his resignation.

 

[GiocataGrande]

No results in august-november before the WC starts should mean his resignation.

Agreed

 

[s4tch]

Yesterday Jurgen has wanted to give the ball away...

based on what? and he also deliberately set multiple players passing accuracy around 70%?

they just had a very bad mindset initially, thought they got it in the bag, and villarreal played a good first half. luckily for liverpool ref was an idiot for not sending allison off for that 100% penalty worthy foul on a player clearly in a goal scoring situation, and rulli had his karius moments in the 2nd half. and of course they have more quality too, but this wasn't obvious until rulli decided to let that fabinho shot in.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

based on what? and he also deliberately set multiple players passing accuracy around 70%?

they just had a very bad mindset initially, thought they got it in the bag, and villarreal played a good first half. luckily for liverpool ref was an idiot for not sending allison off for that 100% penalty worthy foul on a player clearly in a goal scoring situation, and rulli had his karius moments in the 2nd half. and of course they have more quality too, but this wasn't obvious until rulli decided to let that fabinho shot in.

They didn't use gegenpressing, that they were sitting deep and let Villarreal control the game on purpose. Even if you think that penalty was 50/50, there was simply no way to give a red card there, n o w a y. Liverpool would have scored anyway, there is no doubt, they absolutely murdered Villarreal in the 2nd half.

 

[rainhard]

Klopp asked Allegri help for 1st half against Villareal and know that is not a really great help. Then he decide to put his own young Cuadrado in and winning second half by 3-0

 

[s4tch]

They didn't use gegenpressing...

of course they tried (but failed), it's their tactic, they never change it on purpose. after the break it was a different villarreal and a different match

 

[X Æ A-12]

Kyle, it's been said from anti-allegri gang for many times. You would have noticed it if you didn't skip the posts. If i was president i'd fire him but they won't that's we have to wait for august-november to understand if he will get it right or not.

Was difficult to spot amongst all the incoherent whining and non sequitors

 

[JCK]

Was difficult to spot amongst all the incoherent whining and non sequitors

You should pay more attention.

 

[campionesidd]

Show me the rule which says that you can't dig up older posts to see the difference in opinions now and then? You literally have a search feature for it. And if you can't then stick to marathon runs or whatever you do in your old age. Day after day you come here to moan about "shit posting", look at the history of your posts, that's exactly what you do on the daily basis here but you don't have any problems with it.

Should we hold you up to the posts that you made 5 years ago? We don’t need to pal. You said Rabiot is Juve’s player of the season just two days ago. None of the posts you dug up are as retarded as that.

 

[zizinho]

Exactly and Allegri has failed to do it since 2017. There is simply no plan B in his squad, if things go wrong its over - Ajax 1-2, Atletico 0-2, Real Madrid 0-3, Villarreal 0-3, even against Spurs it was a fucking disaster, you simply can't bottle 2-0 lead that you have earned after just 10!!! minutes of play.

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Very clear that we've lost only 1 match. Other than that nothing has changed. We do play like shit.

So when Klopp makes tactical adjustments hes a genius, when Allegri does its fucking disaster. Not a hater though, just stating facts. Go on

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Should we hold you up to the posts that you made 5 years ago? We don’t need to pal. You said Rabiot is Juve’s player of the season just two days ago. None of the posts you dug up are as retarded as that.

You don’t even need to go that far back. A few hours back will give you enough flip flopping material for days.

 

[Vlad]

Exactly and Allegri has failed to do it since 2017. There is simply no plan B in his squad, if things go wrong its over - Ajax 1-2, Atletico 0-2, Real Madrid 0-3, Villarreal 0-3, even against Spurs it was a fucking disaster, you simply can't bottle 2-0 lead that you have earned after just 10!!! minutes of play.

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Very clear that we've lost only 1 match. Other than that nothing has changed. We do play like shit.

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So when Klopp makes tactical adjustments hes a genius, when Allegri does its fucking disaster. Not a hater though, just stating facts. Go on

He calls a disaster a tie we won....

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Should we hold you up to the posts that you made 5 years ago? We don’t need to pal. You said Rabiot is Juve’s player of the season just two days ago. None of the posts you dug up are as retarded as that.

Imagine thinking like this. Not even the ardent Rabiot supporters would have dared to go there. 2nd gem is Arthur the mezzala ....

 

[rainhard]

I hope Italian NT hire Max Allegri

 

[IliveForJuve]

Tuz is so much better when Gordo is not around

 

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He calls a disaster a tie we won....

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Imagine thinking like this. Not even the ardent Rabiot supporters would have dared to go there. 2nd gem is Arthur the mezzala ....

Given that his hero Klopp played Spurs the exact same way in his CL final against them. Pool had even less possession than we did and was outshot and outchanced worse. 65-35 possession for Spurs and 8-3 shots on goal for Spurs

Just won by being clinical and ruthless on the counter, the exact same way we beat them one year earlier. But I guess both are a disaster.