Massimiliano Allegri (239 Viewers)

[Fab Fragment]

OK, I hear you guys about Dybala and Allegri !!
But his last year was not good at all with constant bickering between him and Allegri.

 

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[IlCapitano]

So who cares? Dybala is not above the club, he's a replaceable employee who needs to get in line finally. What has pampering to him given us this season? More points? No. More goals? No. More assists? No. More trophies? No. Better game? No. So why do you care so much about him specifically?

Sometimes Dybala is creating more issues than he's solving. He wants to play all the time, sulks if he doesn't or is subbed off. (To put it lightly.) He's not a winger so that means we have to play with two strikers because of him. But there's also Ronaldo and if both of them play you also need a true striker and Dybala has to play behind him and CR which he doesn't really want or even if he does it doesn't give the best results, his stats suffer so then we have to hear how the coach doesn't know how to use Dybala.

If you have to jump through all these hoops and the end result is still not great, is it really worth it?

Top coach >>> any player not named CR or Messi. Juventus wants to win and top coaches want to win. They don't have agendas and other interests like stats or sponsorships etc. Just win.

Coaches also don't give up or sulk when it doesn't go their way. At least our didn't. And as we've seen with players so many times - if they give up on one coach and stop playing for him they'll do it with the next one just as quickly.

I hear all the time how Dybala isn't Del Piero and shouldn't be held to that standard. Well then he's not irreplaceable and if he can't be a part of the team and sacrifice for whatever a top coach wants him to do then he should leave.

Allegri has done much more for Juve than Dybala. If it's between the two of them (and it doesn't have to be) the choice couldn't be any clearer.

 

[Salvo]

Allegri is one helluva coach
However it was the right time to part ways, the replacement is questionable but the time was right

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Allegri is one helluva coach
However it was the right time to part ways, the replacement is questionable but the time was right

It sure looked like it.

But maybe it was time to change a bunch of players instead of Allegri. Or maybe it was time to let Allegri have his say on who to sign. Or maybe forcing Marotta out changed things more than they anticipated. Or maybe...

We'll never know.

 

[GarfielD]

Allegri is one helluva coach
However it was the right time to part ways, the replacement is questionable but the time was right

No.

It was the right time to give him a proper midfield once again and try once more to win CL, especially since there wasnt any better coach available.

 

[Bianconero81]

Yeah. It didn't have to be either/or. With a couple of tweaks in midfield, and some new, fresh and hungry players, even the old guard and more senior players would've felt motivated and fired up.

We made a mistake, not in firing Allegri, but in bringing in the wrong guy to take over. Chain Smoking Cancer lacks the ability to motivate and inspire. He looks like a dull douche, incapable of commanding a team of superstars, due to his lack of charm, charisma, and big game mentality. Why should the players respect a coach who has done absolutely zilch in his career? He needs to earn that trust and respect, coming to a big club like Juventus. So far, he has been a pathetic pariah.

 

[Kopanja]

I remember he was fired because he wanted a "revolution". What players did he want to get rid of?

 

[Mr Chocolate]

Who were the other realistic options to replace him, even the most pro-Allegri people here (me included) were not against getting rid of him, but only for a comparable replacement, at the time there were no real options out there irrc.

IMO we should have stuck with him and given here whatever he wanted transfer wise instead of hiring an rigid, stubborn, unqualified coach then stuck him with this random assortment of players when it is clear his strong suit is not adaptation, but having specific players for his system.

 

[U Picciriddu]

Im soo much missing not only Allegri but his creative solutions to fix or hide our problems ....

maaan we were trying about 3 to 4 formations tell we start run good .... ...he should come back he is still on our payrol

Sadly enough only in his last season he didn’t changed the formation. I never understood why he didn’t tried anything else but 4-3-3 for 90% of the games.

 

[Juventinoo]

Sadly enough only in his last season he didn’t changed the formation. I never understood why he didn’t tried anything else but 4-3-3 for 90% of the games.

The last term of Allegri ...my personal opinoin is that , our midfiled was very bad that makes our attack looks bad ....

Allegri was mastercalss with us ... we were playing even very good football ...except the last year ....

the board is the reason for this mess ... from signing Ronaldo which disturbed Dybala position ...from signing the imporant Can and Matuidi

from renewing Khadera and signing Rabiot and Ramsy .....

now you would say this is true for Sarri ...but Sarri which was clear to us in Tuz ...that he was a rigid coach ...just one formation one technique ...if he lost it

he will not adopt to the squad needs .... this part especially ...in Conte too.... I hate soo much ....

sometimes I don't enjoy the football ..but I enjoy the tactics .....

you remember for example ... Inter was in wining streak until Allegri finds out the blueprint to beat them ..since then Inter in decline ,,,



this team has a lot of quality ...but with limited mind coach .... we can play 4 2 3 1 for example .... we can even try 3 5 2 if we want ....

I enjoy tactics as much as football ...this is Italian way of enjoying football !

 

[ALC]

I remember he was fired because he wanted a "revolution". What players did he want to get rid of?

he should’ve gotten it, the team is very stale. I’d keep MdL and Dybala and start over.

 

[U Picciriddu]

I enjoy tactics as much as football ...this is Italian way of enjoying football !

Love this part of your post.

 

[IlCapitano]

I remember he was fired because he wanted a "revolution". What players did he want to get rid of?

Educated guess: Dybala, Costa, Cancelo
Bring in: Icardi, Isco, Pogba/SMS

There were also reports that he wanted to go back to 4312 again. Fabrizio Romano said a few months ago if Allegri stayed Isco probably would've been our player.

https://www.calciomercato.com/news/...-isco-avviato-perche-l-operazione-col-r-76530

 

[s4tch]

Educated guess: Dybala, Costa, Cancelo
Bring in: Icardi, Isco, Pogba/SMS

There were also reports that he wanted to go back to 4312 again. Fabrizio Romano said a few months ago if Allegri stayed Isco probably would've been our player.

https://www.calciomercato.com/news/...-isco-avviato-perche-l-operazione-col-r-76530

the club wanted to sell dybala. max simply benched him sometimes when he was in shitty form.

iirc max also wanted to keep cancelo and use him in attack instead of defense where he was a liability (see ajax 1st leg)

uneducated guess: allegri rarely intervened in the mercato. i know 1 single "allegri player" at juve: mds. he made sense as a cheap, italian backup player. i remember him asking for isco for years and eventually getting something completely different

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I remember he was fired because he wanted a "revolution". What players did he want to get rid of?

he was fired because the management thought allegri couldn't motivate the squad anymore.

 

[.zero]

Allegri is one helluva coach
However it was the right time to part ways, the replacement is questionable but the time was right

Why?

He continued to bring success despite not receiving the midfield enhancements he needed. Clear disconnect with management or blatant disregard on managements part.

was it so difficult to provide him with pieces that would allow him to do his job and achieve the goals?

Fresh players that Max desired to implement may have turned into a winning with purpose rather than a few years of winning out of spite. Winning cures all but in this instance it was toxic.

 

[U Picciriddu]

Why?

He continued to bring success despite not receiving the midfield enhancements he needed. Clear disconnect with management or blatant disregard on managements part.

was it so difficult to provide him with pieces that would allow him to do his job and achieve the goals?

Fresh players that Max desired to implement may have turned into a winning with purpose rather than a few years of winning out of spite. Winning cures all but in this instance it was toxic.

Squad fitness was a very big problem. In particular in Max’s last 2 seasons but also in his last season with Milan he had a crazy amount of injuries in his squads.

Turning point vs Ajax was when we lost Dybala due to an injury. Pjanić and Dybala were pressing Blind and De Jong, disrupting their build-up. It was the moment that I realised Kean wasn’t ready for the big work yet on a tactical level.

Its one of the things that led to an exit of Allegri.

 

[Knowah]

Squad fitness was a very big problem. In particular in Max’s last 2 seasons but also in his last season with Milan he had a crazy amount of injuries in his squads.

Turning point vs Ajax was when we lost Dybala due to an injury. Pjanić and Dybala were pressing Blind and De Jong, disrupting their build-up. It was the moment that I realised Kean wasn’t ready for the big work yet on a tactical level.

Its one of the things that led to an exit of Allegri.

But we haven't been exactly injury free since he left either. The Dybala injury wasn't exactly an Allegri overworking players type of injury. Just like how I wouldn't say Chiellini's current injury is a Sarri problem.

In fact, a lot of the SAME problem players when it comes to injuries exist. Costa, Khedira.

Almost like it wasn't an Allegri issue but he was the scapegoat on that front...

 

[.zero]

Squad fitness was a very big problem. In particular in Max’s last 2 seasons but also in his last season with Milan he had a crazy amount of injuries in his squads.

Turning point vs Ajax was when we lost Dybala due to an injury. Pjanić and Dybala were pressing Blind and De Jong, disrupting their build-up. It was the moment that I realised Kean wasn’t ready for the big work yet on a tactical level.

Its one of the things that led to an exit of Allegri.

You don't get fired over your management of squad fitness - especially when you're bringing home multiple trophies every season.

 

[s4tch]

and we still have more or less the same insane amount of injuries, so i wonder whether it was due to allegri's training methods or something else.

 

[U Picciriddu]

You don't get fired over your management of squad fitness - especially when you're bringing home multiple trophies every season.

That’s why I say “it’s one of the things.”