Martin Cáceres (4 Viewers)

[Post Ironic]

Let me ask you something.

Assuming we bought an upgrade to Benatia in January where does this leave Rugani?

Secondly of the names linked ivanovic, caceres, alves - Caceres is definitely the best choice right?

Third - Who would you have liked to see because it's hard to see an upgrade available without eating significantly into our budget.

Remember we only need caceres till the end of the season.

If you can't upgrade, or at least replace him with an equally good player, don't sell in the middle of the season. It's that simple.

 

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[KB824]

Let me ask you something.

Assuming we bought an upgrade to Benatia in January where does this leave Rugani?

Secondly of the names linked ivanovic, caceres, alves - Caceres is definitely the best choice

Third - Who would you have liked to see because it's hard to see an upgrade available without eating significantly into our budget.

Remember we only need caceres till the end of the season.

We are not aksing for an upgrade. But I don't think any of us exepcted such a colossal downgrade to Caceres. And yes, as a CB, this is a colossal downgrade.

Rugani and Benatia could start for 90% of the teams in Serie A, and a fair amount of teams in Europe.

Where would Caceres start at CB? What happens if Chiellini or Bonucci get injured? You really trust Caceres to do the job that Benatia could?

A team that is listed as a UCL favorite do not do this in January. They simply don't.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Nah, dream on. There's no way we're getting Caceres to help us for 6 months. He's gonna stay here for a long time (at least 2 seasons) IMO.

And to answer your question: we simply keep Benatia.

I can perhaps understand that if Barzagli moves on this summer maybe. Either way we are no doubt looking to make significant improvements to our back line in the summer to the point caceres would still be 2nd to last/last choice

 

[Seven]

Caceres is hilarious. Glad he's back.

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[Cerval]

If you can't upgrade, or at least replace him with an equally good player, don't sell in the middle of the season. It's that simple.

All this would have been avoided if Allegri played him just a bit more unfortunately. The guy had it worse than Rugani this season and that says a lot to be fair

 

[Dostoevsky]

I can perhaps understand that if Barzagli moves on this summer maybe. Either way we are no doubt looking to make significant improvements to our back line in the summer to the point caceres would still be 2nd to last/last choice

Just because we're linked with de Ligt doesn't meant we're gonna sign him.

 

[Post Ironic]

We never did that with Beppe and that's true, and that's a bad move from Paratici in that sense. However in the current context and circumstances where he is out of favor and very rarely play, and especially not central to the team's contribution I can understand why he's let go. What I don't like though is the transfer fee, 10 millions is too low.

It's only the from mid-November on that Benatia hasn't played. He played the full 9 in 5 of our first 12 Serie A matches this year. And for some reason hit the bench hard after that. He was also supposed to play the other day, before picking up an injury in the warm-up. He'd be very useful down the stretch as our 3rd best CB for rotation with a heavier load of matches arriving.

There's absolutely no reason to let him go mid-season unless it helps us upgrade the mid. And if Chiellini gets injured, this move could be a disaster.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

We are not aksing for an upgrade. But I don't think any of us exepcted such a colossal downgrade to Caceres. And yes, as a CB, this is a colossal downgrade.

Rugani and Benatia could start for 90% of the teams in Serie A, and a fair amount of teams in Europe.

Where would Caceres start at CB? What happens if Chiellini or Bonucci get injured? You really trust Caceres to do the job that Benatia could?

A team that is listed as a UCL favorite do not do this in January. They simply don't.

The problem here being that Juve didn't want to sell but Benatia has forced it out of the club's hands. As I said in another post he has a history of this at his previous clubs, whilst I didn't like his passive aggressive social media posts about his position, something I think is fair to say we never faced with other players that supposedly 'wanted out'

 

[Valerio.]

Just because we're linked with de Ligt doesn't meant we're gonna sign him.

unlikely we'll spend 60-70m for a cb

 

[Cerval]

It's only the from mid-November on that Benatia hasn't played. He played the full 9 in 5 of our first 12 Serie A matches this year. And for some reason hit the bench hard after that. He was also supposed to play the other day, before picking up an injury in the warm-up. He'd be very useful down the stretch as our 3rd best CB for rotation with a heavier load of matches arriving.

There's absolutely no reason to let him go mid-season unless it helps us upgrade the mid. And if Chiellini gets injured, this move could be a disaster.

I was under the impression he played much less than that

 

[Post Ironic]

All this would have been avoided if Allegri played him just a bit more unfortunately. The guy had it worse than Rugani this season and that says a lot to be fair

Please. Hardly Allegri's fault. Nice shifting of blame. It could have been avoided if management told him he has to wait until summer. Benatia isn't even going to some competitive league or team. He's going to a retirement league in the middle east for money

 

[KB824]

The problem here being that Juve didn't want to sell but Benatia has forced it out of the club's hands. As I said in another post he has a history of this at his previous clubs, whilst I didn't like his passive aggressive social media posts about his position, something I think is fair to say we never faced with other players that supposedly 'wanted out'

Oh, I see. So if the player doesn't whine and bitch about wanting out, they never really "wanted out." Because all players are the same, and can't do things on the down low or through their agent?

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Just because we're linked with de Ligt doesn't meant we're gonna sign him.

I never said we were, but as I said it's evident that we are looking to significantly improve the defence in the summer any ways

 

[Alen]

When did we ever sell a player of Benatia's quality in January, under Beppe?

The closest to Benatia was Evra in January 2016, Giovinco in January 2015 and Lucio in the winter mercato of 2012/13. Evra was 35 though, Lucio 34 and it's impossible to compare Benatia with an attacker like Giovinco.

 

[Post Ironic]

I was under the impression he played much less than that

540 minutes, all by November 11th. And he picked up a knock which kept him out these past few games.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Oh, I see. So if the player doesn't whine and bitch about wanting out, they never really "wanted out." Because all players are the same, and can't do things on the down low or through their agent?

Come on now there are ways of doing this and posting shit on social media is certainly not one of them

 

[DAiDEViL]

Benatia isn't even going to some competitive league or team. He's going to a retirement league in the middle east for money

At least he doesn't have to fight for starting spot there

 

[Post Ironic]

Oh, I see. So if the player doesn't whine and bitch about wanting out, they never really "wanted out." Because all players are the same, and can't do things on the down low or through their agent?

Tevez, Alves, Pogba all made it very clear in interviews and on social media (and in Pogba's case with ad campaigns) that they wanted out. Apparently it never happened before though.

 

[Cerval]

Please. Hardly Allegri's fault. Nice shifting of blame. It could have been avoided if management told him he has to wait until summer. Benatia isn't even going to some competitive league or team. He's going to a retirement league in the middle east for money

I'm not shifting the blame, I have no agenda honestly. The reason Benatia wants to move is because of playing time and that depends on Allegri's choices. Of course the management could have also avoided all of this, but I was speaking about the origin of the problem.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Tevez, Alves, Pogba all made it very clear in interviews and on social media (and in Pogba's case with ad campaigns) that they wanted out. Apparently it never happened before though.

I don't recall Tevez or Pogba ever criticising the club and their decisions in the meantime unlike Alves and Benatia