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piotrr

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    Hello guysz totally forgot this because yesterday i heard that my father suddenly passed away. I am thinking about quit this one.

    @piotrr
    I'm so sorry to hear this Janna. :sad:
    Stay strong, you can of course quit, just confirm your decision.
     

    Alen

    Ѕenior Аdmin
    Apr 2, 2007
    53,941
    Perhaps you're right, but you need to make sense of things. Ok, I was not myself, what's the assumption? That I'm a G? Let's assume I am for a minute. What's the explanation for my behavior. Either I'm an idiot G that is bringing attention to myself unnecessarily(I could have just voted for someone without the added drama) , or I was trying to save someone. My voting would suggest that I was saving JJ with that last minute vote on X. Actually there is no other explanation if I were a G, the only explanation is that I was saving JJ, nothing else. But then, that could also mean that Alen was saving him too, he cast the same vote at the same time.

    The best way to find out is to lynch Matt, personally I know I'm a C. But it would give me peace of mind when it comes to Alen too, if JJ is a C, then in my mind there is no doubt at all that Alen is a C too. If JJ turns out to be a G, then I and Alen have a lot to answer for.

    On the flip side, if X turns out to be a G, then the likes of Woody and Voller have a lot to answer for.
    Exactly.
    And if the lawyer didn't interfere like that yesterday, we wouldn't have been losing today with this. Now we'll have to make it between the two of them again.

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    So sorry Janna. I know you had a troubled relationship with him, but he was your parent.
     

    WΏΏdy?

    Senior Member
    Dec 23, 2005
    14,997
    @Bezzy, im so sorry to hear that hun :rab: stay strong, forget about the game. Maybe he RIP.


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    @king Ale

    Great analysis, and i agree with almost all of it, but im surprised there is no mention of Fred at all. How can you just forget the final seconds of yesterday's vote? Also all your posts following your long ones yesterday you have diverted your attention towards ALC and Fresh (both of whom i admit are my suspects as well) but make sure you are not distracted.
    @Fred has been drumming "you all think i was trying to save matt and i was not". NO Fred we dont really think u were trying to save matt but trying to get rid of X. Like u said why would u risk getting rid of a C at the last moment and look suspicious? Fact is You tired to save someone or u tired to get rid of someone, either way it was not us who made u vote at the last second of voting and that too such a suspicious vote. You ran around the town for suggestions to vote and almost 2-3 peeps clearly suggested matt and u just did the opposite at the end.

    So forget all arguments, simply explain to us why did u vote for X yesterday, at the death.
     

    Alen

    Ѕenior Аdmin
    Apr 2, 2007
    53,941
    no not matt, Alen, and ffs stop listening to his suggestions
    Why not Matt? Because once we see that he's a C you'll be in big trouble and that those who voted for him will also be in trouble? You won't have a big problem if I'm lynched and proven civilian, but it's gonna be different if Matt is a civilian.

    Woody
    The man orchestrated the late voting. No sane civilian would bother to do that.
     

    WΏΏdy?

    Senior Member
    Dec 23, 2005
    14,997
    Btw this is my first game, are so many people usually always inactive in every game? I mean no one would vote for Zach or Kate, Kyle or Tomice or their role even up for a debate since they dont post at all, and whatever they are busy with when they come back i doubt either of them would go read 50 pages of stuff to form an opinion.

    I dont know how this is allowed, but its just the first day so i guess its normal.
     

    GordoDeCentral

    Diez
    Moderator
    Apr 14, 2005
    70,801
    Why not Matt? Because once we see that he's a C you'll be in big trouble and that those who voted for him will also be in trouble? You won't have a big problem if I'm lynched and proven civilian, but it's gonna be different if Matt is a civilian.

    Woody
    The man orchestrated the late voting. No sane civilian would bother to do that.
    that makes no sense, most of the people who voted for me were Cs and did so for reasons that had nothing to do with logic. You still remain Suspect number 1

    like i said woody and radekas are the only ones who saw through your fabricated bullshit, props to them for being on the lookout and having the balls to stand up to you
     

    WΏΏdy?

    Senior Member
    Dec 23, 2005
    14,997
    Why not Matt? Because once we see that he's a C you'll be in big trouble and that those who voted for him will also be in trouble? You won't have a big problem if I'm lynched and proven civilian, but it's gonna be different if Matt is a civilian.

    Woody
    The man orchestrated the late voting. No sane civilian would bother to do that.
    :lol2:

    Orchestrated? I (and klin and a half a dozen Cs) was pretty clear to everyone that i was trying to save X and so were everyone else except YOU AND FRED. TBH just before this post of yours i was gone try and convince you to see through fred's bull because between him and you i was sure of him being a G. You trying to kick start this after i attack fred and not let people forget about what he did yesterday makes me suspicious of you as well but id still keep u aside and focus on fred.
     

    GordoDeCentral

    Diez
    Moderator
    Apr 14, 2005
    70,801
    WΏΏdy?;5046437 said:
    Btw this is my first game, are so many people usually always inactive in every game? I mean no one would vote for Zach or Kate, Kyle or Tomice or their role even up for a debate since they dont post at all, and whatever they are busy with when they come back i doubt either of them would go read 50 pages of stuff to form an opinion.

    I dont know how this is allowed, but its just the first day so i guess its normal.

    i coulda sworn i played with you before

    yeah it's a disgrace and they really should not be allowed to play/continue
     

    WΏΏdy?

    Senior Member
    Dec 23, 2005
    14,997
    Let's see Alen's role in day one, he has nothing on X but accuses him all day of being a G at the same time keeping his vote on RUS of all people, gather enough votes against deneb to knock him out without himself voting for him. At the last moment he realised he does not have enough votes and decides to change, too rookie and early in the game for a mistake like that from you but fred did the same thing. You can always have a defense of "you think we are that stupid to make a mistake like that being so experienced?" .

    Well maybe i caught your bluff coz you and fred can sell it to other seasoned players and i am a rookie so it does not work wimme.

    Day to, you spent almost all your posts on two days mentioning me as a sure C, everyone of your posts while mentioning me said the same. I come up this monrnig and not let peeps get diverted on yesterday's antics and suddenly u try to start against me? Why? Are you not a C? If yes then why are you trying to get rid of another C you have been so sure of is a civilian?

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    i coulda sworn i played with you before

    yeah it's a disgrace and they really should not be allowed to play/continue
    Well we did have that fucked up game where salv made a mistake as a D and i did not get a chance to be active in that game at all. I think it ended in 3-4 days, cant count it.
     

    Völler

    Always spot on
    May 6, 2012
    23,091
    his campaign to save me would have been goodG insurance, i dont know why matt got the heat in the first place, but i have not seen anything to make him a prime suspect
    I'm not really following here either. I agree with Hoori.

    I just got back home from a wedding. Where i was the groom's best man. And also their driver. Tomorrow 'll resume regular activity
    You better!

    Hello guysz totally forgot this because yesterday i heard that my father suddenly passed away. I am thinking about quit this one.

    @piotrr
    I'm sorry to hear that, Janna. :sad: You should of course just quit the game.
     

    radekas

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    Aug 26, 2009
    20,138
    It's true that the "Save X" action was not some kind of organized, secret operation. Basically everyone who voted for JJ cleanly posted here that "yeah I want to save X because I don't think he's a G".

    Would Gs seriously try to come out of closet about it? There was not a single moment when it seemed like X will be certainly saved. Anyone going openly "I want to save X" risked being lynched on day 2 in case X was lynched and turned out to be a G. Therefore in a situation that X is a G, any G trying to openly save him yesterday was pretty much suicidal.
     

    Völler

    Always spot on
    May 6, 2012
    23,091
    WΏΏdy?;5046441 said:
    Well we did have that fucked up game where salv made a mistake as a D and i did not get a chance to be active in that game at all. I think it ended in 3-4 days, cant count it.
    That was a normal game though. It's not rare that a game ends after 3-4 days. You were very inactive that game though.

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    WΏΏdy?;5046437 said:
    Btw this is my first game, are so many people usually always inactive in every game? I mean no one would vote for Zach or Kate, Kyle or Tomice or their role even up for a debate since they dont post at all, and whatever they are busy with when they come back i doubt either of them would go read 50 pages of stuff to form an opinion.

    I dont know how this is allowed, but its just the first day so i guess its normal.
    There are always a few inactives, sadly. I'm really disappointed in Kate and Zach.

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    What's your explanation on the events on day 1? You think Matt is most likely a C or a G? And if you're so sure about Alen, why did he wait to the last minute with his vote? To save Matt? To make a tie?
     

    Alen

    Ѕenior Аdmin
    Apr 2, 2007
    53,941
    Woody, I was never sure that you are a civilian. You CAN'T be sure of that. Yet, on day fuckin 1, you were sure that X is a civilian and advocated voting out Matt or Maddy in order to save X.
    You actually decided to lynch someone on day 1, in order to save someone else, without having a clue about their roles (if you're a C). Did you think for a second that you might be lynching the D or the BG in order to save a G or a normal C?
    As a C you would have. As a G you wouldn't care, especially if you were saving a fellow G.
     

    Alen

    Ѕenior Аdmin
    Apr 2, 2007
    53,941
    Do you really think Woody, who's playing this game for the second time (and was barely active in his first), is actually orchestrating the votes? You can't be serious.
    He did organize it, be it as a C or as a G. He was asking people, in some cases via +reps, to vote for Matt and save X.
     

    Völler

    Always spot on
    May 6, 2012
    23,091
    He did organize it, be it as a C or as a G. He was asking people, in some cases via +reps, to vote for Matt and save X.
    I'm implying that there's no way he'd do that if he was a G. No way he'd do something as risky as that without checking it with an experienced G first.
     

    Alen

    Ѕenior Аdmin
    Apr 2, 2007
    53,941
    I'm implying that there's no way he'd do that if he was a G. No way he'd do something as risky as that without checking it with an experienced G first.
    If X is a G, the other Gs, or those who were online, were gonna save him any way possible.

    Anyway, the operation to save X was incredibly stupid. Folks were under impression of the last game. You, who were saving him (if you were C), didn't think for a second what are you doing. There was a huge chance that you're saving a G and lynching the D or the BG, yet you all went for it. The lawyer did the most stupid thing by exposing himself. Now there is a really huge chance that he'll be recruited, because the Gs know the lawyer is one of 3-4 people.
     

    WΏΏdy?

    Senior Member
    Dec 23, 2005
    14,997
    It's true that the "Save X" action was not some kind of organized, secret operation. Basically everyone who voted for JJ cleanly posted here that "yeah I want to save X because I don't think he's a G".

    Would Gs seriously try to come out of closet about it? There was not a single moment when it seemed like X will be certainly saved. Anyone going openly "I want to save X" risked being lynched on day 2 in case X was lynched and turned out to be a G. Therefore in a situation that X is a G, any G trying to openly save him yesterday was pretty much suicidal.
    Exactly, but this does give us Cs the advantage and see who comes out and buys this crap.

    That was a normal game though. It's not rare that a game ends after 3-4 days. You were very inactive that game though.

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    There are always a few inactives, sadly. I'm really disappointed in Kate and Zach.

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    What's your explanation on the events on day 1? You think Matt is most likely a C or a G? And if you're so sure about Alen, why did he wait to the last minute with his vote? To save Matt? To make a tie?
    Yeah i did not understand the game at all then, (pretty much the same now :D) so i was bored.

    Woody, I was never sure that you are a civilian. You CAN'T be sure of that. Yet, on day fuckin 1, you were sure that X is a civilian and advocated voting out Matt or Maddy in order to save X.
    You actually decided to lynch someone on day 1, in order to save someone else, without having a clue about their roles (if you're a C). Did you think for a second that you might be lynching the D or the BG in order to save a G or a normal C?
    As a C you would have. As a G you wouldn't care, especially if you were saving a fellow G.
    Again, i was advocating to go for inactives all day. When the time came to save X all the Cs decided to go for the closest one we can find. Matt was pretty inactive or most of his posts were of no use to the civilians, maybe that's his style but clearly X was more valuable to us civilians (and if ur argument was how was i so sure about X being a civilian, i was not and the same was the case with matt, so eliminate the one who contributes less) You really cannot spin this any other way.

    He did organize it, be it as a C or as a G. He was asking people, in some cases via +reps, to vote for Matt and save X.
    Proof? Can these peeps come out and say i did that?

    I sent out three reps

    Fred asked for suggestion, my rep to him - Matt or Maddy, whatever we decide
    I sent the same rep to Klin and Hoori - would you rather for for maddy? (because i just wanted to go with either of the two and was fine with whatever the masses decided)

    You are very weak in your arguments in this game Alen, its actually quite surprising. Like radekas said this wasnt an "secret operation" like you tried to advocate all or yesterday and today. Try again.
     

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