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Salvo

J
Moderator
Dec 17, 2007
62,797
Either of Fresh/ALC (if they are not gs i believe we should look for gs among those who stayed away from involving themselves in voting) or Alen/Matt (if Alen is a g then Matt is a g, if Alen is a c then Matt is a c).
What about Fred? his last minute antics and asking people who he should vote is very unlike him IMO. Id be happy with Fr3sh going TBH, playing the complete opposite of how he did last game but its too obvious IMO. I agree with what you are saying though.

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Why you so obsessed with me?
See the post below this one :D
 

Fr3sh

Senior Member
Jul 12, 2011
37,253
What about Fred? his last minute antics and asking people who he should vote is very unlike him IMO. Id be happy with Fr3sh going TBH, playing the complete opposite of how he did last game but its too obvious IMO. I agree with what you are saying though.

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See the post below this one :D
Who do you suspect the most? What do you think of ALC?
Maddy's post on Voller's behavior struck my interest, because what Voller has deemed Maddy to be suspicious for is something that he usually encourages, killing off the "useless ones". ALC is always moving weirdly I can't say much of him but his late appearance makes him even more suspect.

Maddy too is kinda suspicious because he's continuously claimed to be gone, but always popped up when he was mentionned, he wasn't notification "mentionned" but mentionned nonetheless and bam he's there.

Fred is really suspicious however, I don't like how he claimed he wouldn't go for a useful C like X, then proceded to vote for him then he later changed his vote once more, he was very indecisive in the dying minutes of the day.

Fred would be the one I suspect the most. Voller is up there too. And all of the ones that were ready to jump on the radekas bandwagon too are suspicious.

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Salvo, I gave you the key.
 

Salvo

J
Moderator
Dec 17, 2007
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Maddy's post on Voller's behavior struck my interest, because what Voller has deemed Maddy to be suspicious for is something that he usually encourages, killing off the "useless ones". ALC is always moving weirdly I can't say much of him but his late appearance makes him even more suspect.

Maddy too is kinda suspicious because he's continuously claimed to be gone, but always popped up when he was mentionned, he wasn't notification "mentionned" but mentionned nonetheless and bam he's there.

Fred is really suspicious however, I don't like how he claimed he wouldn't go for a useful C like X, then proceded to vote for him then he later changed his vote once more, he was very indecisive in the dying minutes of the day.

Fred would be the one I suspect the most. Voller is up there too. And all of the ones that were ready to jump on the radekas bandwagon too are suspicious.

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Salvo, I gave you the key.
The key? Yeah no way Radekas is a G IMO.
 

Fr3sh

Senior Member
Jul 12, 2011
37,253
The key? Yeah no way Radekas is a G IMO.
BTW, I'm curious. Since you said that mod's can see people's pms. I was wondering if you can see through their activity despite invisibility mode? If so, that's totally X's sensing powers and I want it!


Radekas case, I'm gonna need to go back and see what initially started that heat, because I really do know how he feels being accused as a g, and people reinforcing the accusations because you defend yourself.

And where's @Tomice?
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
Maddy's post on Voller's behavior struck my interest, because what Voller has deemed Maddy to be suspicious for is something that he usually encourages, killing off the "useless ones". ALC is always moving weirdly I can't say much of him but his late appearance makes him even more suspect.

Maddy too is kinda suspicious because he's continuously claimed to be gone, but always popped up when he was mentionned, he wasn't notification "mentionned" but mentionned nonetheless and bam he's there.

Fred is really suspicious however, I don't like how he claimed he wouldn't go for a useful C like X, then proceded to vote for him then he later changed his vote once more, he was very indecisive in the dying minutes of the day.

Fred would be the one I suspect the most. Voller is up there too. And all of the ones that were ready to jump on the radekas bandwagon too are suspicious.

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Salvo, I gave you the key.
I can't make sense of Fred tbh, he has to explain that shit :D

Voller was the one who was suspicious of Radekas initially, then Ocelot and iirc X also accused him of being a g. Ocelot was a c and i believe so is X.

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BTW, I'm curious. Since you said that mod's can see people's pms. I was wondering if you can see through their activity despite invisibility mode? If so, that's totally X's sensing powers and I want it!


Radekas case, I'm gonna need to go back and see what initially started that heat, because I really do know how he feels being accused as a g, and people reinforcing the accusations because you defend yourself.

And where's @Tomice?
I think @Salvo was bullshitting :D:scared:
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
All permutations:

X is G, Matt is C, Alen is G ~ impossible given Alen's last minute vote.
X is C, Matt is C, Alen is G ~ impossible given Alen's last minute vote.
X is G, Matt is G, Alen is G ~ impossible given nobody went for no lynch.
X is G, Matt is G, Alen is C ~ impossible given nobody went for no lynch.

Two interesting things so far:
1) Alen and G cannot be both Gs (because look at the four remaining options below in bold, in none of which Alen and X are both Gs).
2) Alen is G ONLY if X is a C and Matt is a G (so Matt, if you are a C, you should be sure as hell that Alen is a C :p)

X is G, Matt is C, Alen is C ~ I rule this out cause I think if X was a G, no lynch would have been used to save his ass.
X is C, Matt is G, Alen is C ~ This means that Matt's fate was actually determined by a C in the last minute, which doesn't make any sense so I tend to rule this out.

These two are imo the only possible options:
X is C, Matt is G, Alen is G
X is C, Matt is C, Alen is C
I just don't find that likely because if it is the case, it means that ALL gs must have already voted X so there was no other G left to vote X. Note that it was 5:4 for Matt before Alen's vote and based on this scenario (X is C, Matt is G, Alen is C), Alen is a C. This either means that almost all of Matt, ALC, Fresh and Rus are Gs OR it means that 2-3 of those 4 alongside with Fred are Gs. It's not impossible but unlikely imo. I really really really think we should go after one of Fresh, ALC or Rus tomorrow. We'll have answers to a lot of questions.

I didn't include Fred cause that would have doubled the content of my analysis :p

That's good analysis with the little information you have and all, but if you're looking at last minute votes that decided/could have decided yesterday's outcome, then you did not include me and Voller, and without us its incomplete, its only an analysis of Alen, not yesterday's deadline time events.

Anyway, in short what happened in the last two minutes: Voller voted for JJ(in addition to a few others), in the process saving X. Then a minute after that both me and Alen voted for X, taking his votes one higher than JJ.

Therefore the options are; either we are all confused C's which is possible, or there was something going on yesterday. If the latter is true, then the only way you can explain me, Alen or Voller's votes is this way:

Me and/or Alen trying to save Matt.

Voller trying to save X.

The only way to make sense of the whole thing is to find out X and Matt's roles. That's why I think the lawyer fvcked up yesterday. There is a big possibility that X and Matt might be C's and the whole thing serves as a big distraction, in which case those who were online and avoided casting a vote either way are the main suspects. IMO we have to lynch Matt or X today, no two ways about it.
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
You must admit @Fred that you asking around who you should vote for is very unlike you.
Perhaps you're right, but you need to make sense of things. Ok, I was not myself, what's the assumption? That I'm a G? Let's assume I am for a minute. What's the explanation for my behavior. Either I'm an idiot G that is bringing attention to myself unnecessarily(I could have just voted for someone without the added drama) , or I was trying to save someone. My voting would suggest that I was saving JJ with that last minute vote on X. Actually there is no other explanation if I were a G, the only explanation is that I was saving JJ, nothing else. But then, that could also mean that Alen was saving him too, he cast the same vote at the same time.

The best way to find out is to lynch Matt, personally I know I'm a C. But it would give me peace of mind when it comes to Alen too, if JJ is a C, then in my mind there is no doubt at all that Alen is a C too. If JJ turns out to be a G, then I and Alen have a lot to answer for.

On the flip side, if X turns out to be a G, then the likes of Woody and Voller have a lot to answer for.
 

radekas

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Aug 26, 2009
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Ok reading through the nighttime and early morning post I conclude that indeed the only way to get some information would be to lynch JJ or X. Since I think X is a C I would rather go for JJ who was posting suspicious posts yesterday.

On the other hand going for someone liek ALC (like Hoori suggested) could be a good idea. That guy is such an enigma. He provides absolutely nothing, joins the X bandwaggon late in the day and won't bother to join any serious discussion. I could see a G trying to lay low that way.
 

Salvo

J
Moderator
Dec 17, 2007
62,797
Perhaps you're right, but you need to make sense of things. Ok, I was not myself, what's the assumption? That I'm a G? Let's assume I am for a minute. What's the explanation for my behavior. Either I'm an idiot G that is bringing attention to myself unnecessarily(I could have just voted for someone without the added drama) , or I was trying to save someone. My voting would suggest that I was saving JJ with that last minute vote on X. Actually there is no other explanation if I were a G, the only explanation is that I was saving JJ, nothing else. But then, that could also mean that Alen was saving him too, he cast the same vote at the same time.

The best way to find out is to lynch Matt, personally I know I'm a C. But it would give me peace of mind when it comes to Alen too, if JJ is a C, then in my mind there is no doubt at all that Alen is a C too. If JJ turns out to be a G, then I and Alen have a lot to answer for.

On the flip side, if X turns out to be a G, then the likes of Woody and Voller have a lot to answer for.
You could also look at it and think you are trying to play the I wasnt sure who to vote and take the heat off yourself. Early on in the game you said G's are normally people who jump on bandwagons and dont accuse people themselves. It is funny because that is exactly what you did.
 

Bezzy

The Bookie Queen
Jun 5, 2010
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Hello guysz totally forgot this because yesterday i heard that my father suddenly passed away. I am thinking about quit this one.

@piotrr
 

Klin

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May 27, 2009
61,692
Alen, klin, fred in that order
his campaign to save me would have been goodG insurance, i dont know why matt got the heat in the first place, but i have not seen anything to make him a prime suspect
How would it have been good insurance if Matt was a C? Or if he turned out to be a G, why would I - as a G - would do something stupid like that and kill a G buddy?

I think we should go for either Alen or Fred.

Hello guysz totally forgot this because yesterday i heard that my father suddenly passed away. I am thinking about quit this one.

@piotrr
Sorry to hear that , Janna. May he RIP. :(
 

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