Kenan Yıldız (36 Viewers)

Jul 2, 2006
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#61
bs post, but more importantly, how are you? did the earthquake affected you?
living in a 70 years old house made of sea sand, a big is one is about to happen any moment now, but i am ok.

Tel despite his young age isnt even a youth player, but an expensive first team player. He hasn't played that much yet. Only 1 start this season.
did he fake his age too? regardless of what they paid, he is 17 years old with little to none experience.

Ibrahimovic has played 13 mins for Bayern lol.
he became a part of first team now, appearing in match squad. while we are celebrating his counterpart's promotion to next gen.

While Fagioli and Miretti have started 13-15 games iirc :sergio:
only in Juventus, a 22 years old considered a kid. there is 5 years gap between him and likes kenan and ibrahimovic.
 

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The Quazis

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Dec 21, 2012
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#62
only in Juventus, a 22 years old considered a kid. there is 5 years gap between him and likes kenan and ibrahimovic.
Miretti is 19. Speaking of Fagioli, he might be 22 already but he has a full season in senior football in Serie C, B and now in A. Experience is valuable. Also, there's no rule that a player develops steadily year by year. Some players blossom earlier while others later. Fagioli can still give us at least 10 years of service so why should we care if he's 19yo or 22?
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Miretti is 19. Speaking of Fagioli, he might be 22 already but he has a full season in senior football in Serie C, B and now in A. Experience is valuable. Also, there's no rule that a player develops steadily year by year. Some players blossom earlier while others later. Fagioli can still give us at least 10 years of service so why should we care if he's 19yo or 22?
Makes a huge difference, for multiple reasons. Real talents are being discovered in their late teens in this day and age. If we have a real talent in Fagioli and he's only started receiving this amount of play time now, then either he's lagging, not a real talent, or JJ is backwards with young players.
 

The Quazis

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Makes a huge difference, for multiple reasons. Real talents are being discovered in their late teens in this day and age. If we have a real talent in Fagioli and he's only started receiving this amount of play time now, then either he's lagging, not a real talent, or JJ is backwards with young players.
Being honest, I could give you as many players who reached the top late as those who peaked early and turned into mediocrity before reaching 30yo.
 
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DanielSz

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    Being honest, I could give you as many players who reached the top late as those who peaked early and turned into mediocrity before reaching 30yo.
    yeah I don’t think development is as black and white (hehe) as that. Kean was in top flight as a teenager and he’s shit. Marchisio wasn’t a full time top flight player until his age 22/23 season and he’s not shit.
     

    Bjerknes

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    Being honest, I could give you as many players who reached the top late as those who peaked early and turned into mediocrity before reaching 30yo.
    Maybe some, but most of the generational talents in the modern era were clearly known at 20 or even below. Perhaps someone like Modric is an exception, but once you start hitting 22 or 23 and it's not quite clear, chances are slim.
     

    s4tch

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    Maybe some, but most of the generational talents in the modern era were clearly known at 20 or even below. Perhaps someone like Modric is an exception, but once you start hitting 22 or 23 and it's not quite clear, chances are slim.
    drogba was a nobody until he was 25 when marseille signed him

    kean was 18 (iirc) when he scored his first goal for juve, and shortly after that, a pl team signed him for a visible amount, then he played for psg before returning to juve

    do you want me to draw the logical conclusion according to your narrative?

    or can we conclude that age is just a number
     

    Lapa

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    Sep 29, 2008
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    #69
    drogba was a nobody until he was 25 when marseille signed him

    kean was 18 (iirc) when he scored his first goal for juve, and shortly after that, a pl team signed him for a visible amount, then he played for psg before returning to juve

    do you want me to draw the logical conclusion according to your narrative?

    or can we conclude that age is just a number
    Drawing, please. Andy needs it, Tuz needs it.
     

    Bjerknes

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    Mar 16, 2004
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    drogba was a nobody until he was 25 when marseille signed him

    kean was 18 (iirc) when he scored his first goal for juve, and shortly after that, a pl team signed him for a visible amount, then he played for psg before returning to juve

    do you want me to draw the logical conclusion according to your narrative?

    or can we conclude that age is just a number
    I wouldn't argue Drogba is a generational talent. Great player though.
     

    s4tch

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    Mar 23, 2015
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    I wouldn't argue Drogba is a generational talent. Great player though.
    drogba is one of the best african strikers ever, and certainly a top player of a generation

    btw the point is that nobody said fagioli was a generational talent. he can be a solid starter for both club and country though, and he is not late at all, he can still have an excellent career. saying that he's old is ridiculous. same goes for barrenechea.

    remember chiellini at 22? he wasn't considered a generational talent, still became a generational top player eventually. there are late bloomers, it's a fact, why even discuss it

    let these guys grow. this is their first season at the highest level, it's been a shit show on and off the pitch, and they are still doing fine
     

    Post Ironic

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    Feb 9, 2013
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    drogba is one of the best african strikers ever, and certainly a top player of a generation

    btw the point is that nobody said fagioli was a generational talent. he can be a solid starter for both club and country though, and he is not late at all, he can still have an excellent career. saying that he's old is ridiculous. same goes for barrenechea.

    remember chiellini at 22? he wasn't considered a generational talent, still became a generational top player eventually. there are late bloomers, it's a fact, why even discuss it

    let these guys grow. this is their first season at the highest level, it's been a shit show on and off the pitch, and they are still doing fine
    Vidal’s breakout season at Leverkusen was 23 years old. Modric is another, moved to Tottenham at 23. These clowns are boring, acting like if you haven’t made it as a teenager, you never will.

    Meanwhile Andy still thinks 24 year old McKennie will turn into the next Vidal under the right coach.
     

    zizinho

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    Apr 14, 2013
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    Vidal’s breakout season at Leverkusen was 23 years old. Modric is another, moved to Tottenham at 23. These clowns are boring, acting like if you haven’t made it as a teenager, you never will.

    Meanwhile Andy still thinks 24 year old McKennie will turn into the next Vidal under the right coach.
    McKennie has all the tools tbh. He just needs a right team, a right coach, to guide him to his right position in the right sport for him. He will turn out good, just wait
     

    Alen

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    Apr 2, 2007
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    Vidal’s breakout season at Leverkusen was 23 years old. Modric is another, moved to Tottenham at 23. These clowns are boring, acting like if you haven’t made it as a teenager, you never will.

    Meanwhile Andy still thinks 24 year old McKennie will turn into the next Vidal under the right coach.
    Zinedine Zidane.

    Modric was greatness even before moving to Tottenham. For years he and Dinamo were rejecting offers from Barcelona and the EPL teams, before finally accepting Tottenham's offer.
     

    PhRoZeN

    Livin with Mediocre
    Mar 29, 2006
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    McKennie has all the tools tbh. He just needs a right team, a right coach, to guide him to his right position in the right sport for him. He will turn out good, just wait
    Now you're being silly, we should really think about this.

    I mean, he doesn't have the height to be a basketball player. Doesn't seem to have the arm stretch to swing a baseball bat. Nor does he have the muscle and speed to play as an American eggballer. Football is the only sport he can make money, running around and kicking a ball works well, as long as he continues to hide in the fringes of the locker room, he won't get found out. We've given the amateur the platform to play in premier league. He should really be so grateful.
     

    zizinho

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    Apr 14, 2013
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    Now you're being silly, we should really think about this.

    I mean, he doesn't have the height to be a basketball player. Doesn't seem to have the arm stretch to swing a baseball bat. Nor does he have the muscle and speed to play as an American eggballer. Football is the only sport he can make money, running around and kicking a ball works well, as long as he continues to hide in the fringes of the locker room, he won't get found out. We've given the amateur the platform to play in premier league. He should really be so grateful.
    Don't be so quick to conclude. Have we really considered all possibilities? I still have faith in Weston
     

    Alen

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    Apr 2, 2007
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    Now you're being silly, we should really think about this.

    I mean, he doesn't have the height to be a basketball player. Doesn't seem to have the arm stretch to swing a baseball bat. Nor does he have the muscle and speed to play as an American eggballer. Football is the only sport he can make money, running around and kicking a ball works well, as long as he continues to hide in the fringes of the locker room, he won't get found out. We've given the amateur the platform to play in premier league. He should really be so grateful.
    Swimming perhaps?
     

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