Juve's transfer campaign so far... (5 Viewers)

[Alen]

yeah, esp Milan's transfer summer was a total let down wasnt it?

It may very well prove to be that way.
3 years ago Shevchenko, Ronaldinho and Zambrotta would have cost 150m eur, now their total price is around 35m eur.

There is a reason why is it that way, but people still look at the trio as the best in the world and think Milan had a great campaign.

 

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[Stephan]

It may very well prove to be that way.
3 years ago Shevchenko, Ronaldinho and Zambrotta would have cost 150m eur, now their total price is around 35m eur.

There is a reason why is it that way, but people still look at the trio as the best in the world and think Milan had a great campaign.

But what so many forget is that they went for experience. Previous years they have signed the Oliveras and Gourcuffs who havent done nothing. Only Pato has come through. They took the risk with Ronaldinho now. We will see how it works out, but Ronaldinho does have something what milan have lacked in recent years. (tell me who was the last player who played on the wing and wasnt a DM for milan?) Beside, he is still 28. I think his chances to succeed are better in italy then in england.

I think Sheva is the dumber move, 2 years pretty mutch lost, looks like totally out of form, now gona be 32 in september. Could have gone with someone younger maybe?

 

[Mike-e-y]

That is the point i was trying to put across to Enoran. Sissoko is strictly a Defensive midfielder, a ball winner. That is why it would been better to put him alongside a playmaker, that can spray passes with quality & can also support the forwards, like Moutinho. But playing poulsen AND sissoko in the same lineup is just wrong.

I wouldn't go that far, we were very successful with emerson and vieira, although they were both much better distributors of the ball than sissoko and poulsen. But i do agree we should have bought a playmaker like diege or alonso to sit next to him, take shots and pick out killer balls.

Yet again we bought a Romex watch when there were rolex's on sale.

 

[cyril]

Suazo is a quality player too but we hardly see him plays, i am seeing the same for Mutari and not referring Mutari as an inept player

Sissoko is strictly not an out-and-out defensive midfielder in my eyes.

I already like you.

 

[Mike-e-y]

It may very well prove to be that way.
3 years ago Shevchenko, Ronaldinho and Zambrotta would have cost 150m eur, now their total price is around 35m eur.

There is a reason why is it that way, but people still look at the trio as the best in the world and think Milan had a great campaign.

Obviously the 3 of them are not at the level they were 3 years ago but they have significantly improved their line up. our transfers this summer on the other hand have not, is poulsen an improvement on sissoko? Is knezevic an improvement on stendardo? Is mellberg an improvement on legro? is amauri an improvement on trezeguet?

Overall it's very disappointing, the only positive of the summer is giovinco coming back, and we were nearly stupid enough to let him go....

 

[cyril]

We'll fight for every trophy out there Yeah probably the worthless Coppa italia. Hey if your content with mediocrity & mediocre signings you keep supporting Secco, but don't start moaning when we get knocked out the CL & Fail to challenge for the league title

Clearly you have a gift of predicting the future, now please tell me oh wise one, when will my wife bear children?

 

[Alen]

But what so many forget is that they went for experience. Previous years they have signed the Oliveras and Gourcuffs who havent done nothing. Only Pato has come through. They took the risk with Ronaldinho now. We will see how it works out, but Ronaldinho does have something what milan have lacked in recent years. (tell me who was the last player who played on the wing and wasnt a DM for milan?) Beside, he is still 28. I think his chances to succeed are better in italy then in england.

I think Sheva is the dumber move, 2 years pretty mutch lost, looks like totally out of form, now gona be 32 in september. Could have gone with someone younger maybe?

Errr, why would Milan go for experience, Stephan ?
They already had the oldest squad in Europe.

Ronaldinho is a risk i'd have also taken if i was a rich team owner. Hit or miss he is, with the miss being a +60m euro miss, but we all know how important he can be if he gets back to his old self.

The thing is, Milan went for 3 ex-super stars and all of them were dropouts from their current clubs. It's hard to imagine Barcelona or Chelsea letting these players go if they didn't think they were finished.
I know Barca did the same with Romario, Rivaldo, Real did the same with Ronaldo, Emerson etc.

Milan somehow always go after these ex-superstars and hope they'll make them play great again but from what i could see in last 5-6 years (Rivaldo, Ronaldo, Emerson, Vieri) they always fail to do that.
This time they took a huge risk because if they fail it will mean that they'll be ~100m eur in minus (i'm also calculating the wages).

Just wait and watch how Milan will have to sell Kaka.

 

[Alen]

Obviously the 3 of them are not at the level they were 3 years ago but they have significantly improved their line up. our transfers this summer on the other hand have not, is poulsen an improvement on sissoko? Is knezevic an improvement on stendardo? Is mellberg an improvement on legro? is amauri an improvement on trezeguet?

Overall it's very disappointing, the only positive of the summer is giovinco coming back, and we were nearly stupid enough to let him go....

Looking only at the names of the players and how great these players were in the past, you may say that Milan significantly improved their squad. But judging from their form in the last 2 years..... is Ronaldinho an improvement over Seedorf, is Shevchenko improvement over Inzaghi/Gilardino, is Zambrotta improvement over Oddo ?

We'll have to see. Personally i doubt Milan stands a chance for the scudetto this year and next year, when 90% of the players in Milan will be 33,34,35....things will get even worse.

 

[Stephan]

Errr, why would Milan go for experience, Stephan ?
They already had the oldest squad in Europe.

Ronaldinho is a risk i'd have also taken if i was a rich team owner. Hit or miss he is, with the miss being a +60m euro miss, but we all know how important he can be if he gets back to his old self.

The thing is, Milan went for 3 ex-super stars and all of them were dropouts from their current clubs. It's hard to imagine Barcelona or Chelsea letting these players go if they didn't think they were finished.
I know Barca did the same with Romario, Rivaldo, Real did the same with Ronaldo, Emerson etc.

Milan somehow always go after these ex-superstars and hope they'll make them play great again but from what i could see in last 5-6 years (Rivaldo, Ronaldo, Emerson, Vieri) they always fail to do that.
This time they took a huge risk because if they fail it will mean that they'll be ~100m eur in minus (i'm also calculating the wages).

Just wait and watch how Milan will have to sell Kaka.

Because they lack the experience in attack. Pato is still young. Same with Paloschi. Boriello will never be a hit in a big club. And as i said, the oliveras and gourcuffs the previous years. What did they do? Gourcuff was supposed the be the next Zidane

Yes i admit its a big risk, but its different risk, then signing another Olivera or Gourcuff. Its def not a long term great plan, but at this moment, milan needed fast changings, and changings what would get them back to top 4, to play in CL again.

 

[Stephan]

If Ronaldinho manages to get back on form, then there they will get the money and kaka will leave no where. Gloryhunters will start buying Ronnies jerseys.

 

[v1rtu4l]

Obviously the 3 of them are not at the level they were 3 years ago but they have significantly improved their line up. our transfers this summer on the other hand have not, is poulsen an improvement on sissoko? Is knezevic an improvement on stendardo? Is mellberg an improvement on legro? is amauri an improvement on trezeguet?

you did forget to ask if manniger is an improvement over buffon !

i guess it was on purpose because the reader would get how ridiculous that is ...

how would you try to buy a super star player for a position just to put a star player on the bench ?

wasn't it more sensible to bring another player of certain class to play with the star players ?

poulsen and sissoko do make sense, because even if the both are defensive midfielders they are quite different. from our games you could see that sissoko roams more and also trys to link up with camo and co in attack ... poulsen is also defensive but sits more in front of the back four without roaming so much ... he does add some good long passes to our squad.

so poulsen is the dm with strict positioning and good long passes
and sissoko is the more roaming type who will link up with the attack but perhaps let our defensive line on its own if the opponent starts a counter attack

this slight difference enables us to play different styles of play even with fielding one dm ! the secure and defensive side would be with poulsen, the more attacking side was with sissoko ... add to this someone like ekdal or zanetti who makes the game fluid.

 

[Cronios]

It may very well prove to be that way.
3 years ago Shevchenko, Ronaldinho and Zambrotta would have cost 150m eur, now their total price is around 35m eur.

There is a reason why is it that way, but people still look at the trio as the best in the world and think Milan had a great campaign.

Every Juventino hopes that they will suck, but it doenst matter, this doesnt takes the fact, that those transfers are great transfer by todays standards.
\No one can foretells the future, Chelsea could buy Kaka, Adebayor, Chiellini and Diego and still proved to be a dezastrous transfer campaign if half of then get injured and they other half get killed:xmas:

When we signed Tiago, Almiron and Andrade, some of us were using the same arguments you are using know and we were proved to be right, but right then, you and the majority of this forum praised the work of our managers and considered that at that moment those transfer were good and gave us the potential to chalenge for a title.
Milan has now the exact same potential magnified many times, because these players were and might again obtain a world class status, if given the ideal conditions.

It s pitiful to try and defend our current crop of crap only because of the shake of it...

Your arguments are bound to turned against you and accuse you of hypocrisy...

 

[Oggy]

Tiago, Almirion and Andrade were not leftovers by some big clubs like Ronaldinho, Sheva and Zambrotta. If you compared Almirion to Oliveira than I could agree with U. And your argument that they could become great again in an ideal condition is lame, who's gonna give them that.

Milan bought three let's say leftovers who are not young either and I just don't see how they had better transfet campaign than us. Borriello still need to prove that he is not one season wonder and Paloschi is not even near to great or even good.

Even Inter didn't had better campaign, but that's arguable since they bought exactly what they needed and they didn't need much.

Roma had worst campaign IMO.

Only Fiorentina had a good and probably better transfer campaign than us.

 

[Cronios]

All of those players are liabilities, at least Milan boys were world class once...
Their boys had the advantage of being proven, our boys had the future ahead so it is essentially the same, both clubs gambled.
With the difference Milan added more quality and gambled both with former champions and future stars, like Flamini (2 youngsters and one more young DF coming) and Borriello. They can hardly all fail at the same time, whilst our margin of failure, was much wider...

Roma seem to be weaker indeed, Juan, Riise and Baptista are fine choices, but they also lost a lot...

Milan bought more and better players than us, Fiorentina did better than us, despite having less resources on theory and Inter made some acquisitions and they might still do a couple more, but they had two world class teams anyway...

Comparing our mercato, to theirs, we really got owned and this is what we ought to do,
but our managers cleverly avoid any comparisons and only compare our current team with the ine we had last year, like we are competing with last year's Juve and not with Inter,Milan,Roma and Fiorentina for the titles...

 

[v1rtu4l]

Only Fiorentina had a good and probably better transfer campaign than us.

what you all forget is: fiorentina has lost first team players... and only added one player that will most probably be a strengthening (in the person of vargas).

 

[Mike-e-y]

Looking only at the names of the players and how great these players were in the past, you may say that Milan significantly improved their squad. But judging from their form in the last 2 years..... is Ronaldinho an improvement over Seedorf, is Shevchenko improvement over Inzaghi/Gilardino, is Zambrotta improvement over Oddo ?

We'll have to see. Personally i doubt Milan stands a chance for the scudetto this year and next year, when 90% of the players in Milan will be 33,34,35....things will get even worse.

I get what you mean, but although those 3 players have been on bad from recently they are all world class. Ronaldinho will rediscover his form, i dont doubt that, Zambrotta will be better in italy, he never really expressed himself in spain. Shevchenko I am not sure aobut him, he looks a shadow of his former self but if he ever will be good again its going to be for milan. Only time will tell

 

[zann]

u forgot that gilardino will rediscover himself at fiorentina probably.

 

[only-juve]

what you all forget is: fiorentina has lost first team players... and only added one player that will most probably be a strengthening (in the person of vargas).

have you seen felipe melo?!! The guy was absalutely brilliant in the friendlies that fiorentina played so far plus he was chosen as almeria's best player last season (losing Liverani and buying melo was a smart move by la viola). Jovetic is a super talent that i'm sure will suprise everyone in serie A. Vargas was the least impressive player so far (in the friendlies) but we all know that he's a class. So other than losing Ujfalusi i don't c fiorentina had a bad mercato. Diffenately much bitter than us or any other serie A team......

 

[Enoran]

u forgot that gilardino will rediscover himself at fiorentina probably.

As a Juve fan, i hope he don't.

Amauri > Gilardino :juvefan2:

Thats a nice Hide avatar, Zann ...

 

[Maher]

Six for me.
So far its not TERRIBLE but it could be better.

exactly , Tiago, Almirion and Andrade , WTF ??