And bayern man, we can take them on any day. Besides man he thinks fiorentina are better than us, just because his friends at goal are hyping up their transfer campaign
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Borriello will be 4th choice striker, and even likely to leave even if Paloschi gets loaned out. In comparison, Giovinco will be a starter for us in no time. And will be considerably more vital for us then Borriello will be for them. He had a good season, but to say he is proven is bit off, because he is anything but proven in a top team and will only be backup behind everyone for Milan (4 strikers compete for one striker spot, and he is dead last in the qeue).
And it De Ceglie being bought back half of is as much as a signing as the same being done with Borriello. Giovinco and Marchisio on the other hand were only loans. But nevertheless, are additions that strenghten our team.
Borriello will be 4th choice striker, and even likely to leave even if Paloschi gets loaned out. In comparison, Giovinco will be a starter for us in no time. And will be considerably more vital for us then Borriello will be for them. He had a good season, but to say he is proven is bit off, because he is anything but proven in a top team and will only be backup behind everyone for Milan (4 strikers compete for one striker spot, and he is dead last in the qeue).
And it De Ceglie being bought back half of is as much as a signing as the same being done with Borriello. Giovinco and Marchisio on the other hand were only loans. But nevertheless, are additions that strenghten our team.
If we add an LB and Aquilani then this mercato would chance from a total disaster to a full success in the blink of an eye.
But we cannot judge by speculation and hopes that we will buy more and better players, that why the title of this thread says "so far".
I sense some ppl voted with the hope that we will bring more players, like when we got Poulsen instead of Alonso, ppl assumed we will also bring Stankovic too.
When we brought Knezevic some assumed we will loan Ivanovic too.
We have to make a new poll when the transfer campaign will be officially over!
Judge the facts only and no more false hopes and speculations!
But we cannot judge by speculation and hopes that we will buy more and better players, that why the title of this thread says "so far".
I sense some ppl voted with the hope that we will bring more players, like when we got Poulsen instead of Alonso, ppl assumed we will also bring Stankovic too.
When we brought Knezevic some assumed we will loan Ivanovic too.
We have to make a new poll when the transfer campaign will be officially over!
Judge the facts only and no more false hopes and speculations!
Borriello hasn't made a single appearance for Milan, yet you label him as a better investment than Criscito last year. How do you know that he'll be world class for Milan? Unless you have some predicting abilities, the point you made is worthless. Gila was a hell of a player before he joined Milan, and when Milan signed him, he was one of the best transfers for Milan, and yet when the season started, he choked for Milan. Therefore you can't say that Borriello is a great transfer for Milan. The fact that they signed Sheva and Ronaldinho AFTER they signed Borriello says it all really. Even the Milan directors don't see him as a starter there, that's why they brought another forward and Ronaldinho. AFAIK they paid 10m+ for half of Borriello's contract, only for later to buy Ronaldinho and bring back Sheva. I don't see how Borriello is a great investment for Milan.
Milan did not win a CL in 2006. it was 2007, and even then they had the best midfield in the tournement at that time, in Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso & Seedorf. Bayern have a better squad than us, that is obvious."thier defence is crap" Lahm, Lucio & Sagnol crap? according to your logic, Grygera is a better fullback than lahm, Melberg is better than Lucio & Molinaro is better than Sagnol
if thier defence is crap, i would'nt want to know what our defence is
It's even worse.
Borriello did play for Milan. The problem is he was awful when he played there and at the end they caught him using illegal substances so Milan had to get rid of him.
Btw, Cron, hats off for the old guard and the way they scouted talented kids throughout Italy.
In this case though, i don't think we should be giving much credit to Moggi for guys like Giovinco and De Ceglie. These guys were born and raised in Torino and when they were kids their parents made the choice to take their kids to Juve's youth academy.
Since they were talented they made it.
I don't think Moggi should be given a credit for Giovinco's mother giving birth to a son in Torino or Giovinco's father taking his little kid on trainings on the right side of the city.
The only influence Moggi had on these kids' careers is the mess he's done that led to Calciopoli and put us in serie B where there was a chance for the youngsters to show themselves.
Borriello did play for Milan. The problem is he was awful when he played there and at the end they caught him using illegal substances so Milan had to get rid of him.
Btw, Cron, hats off for the old guard and the way they scouted talented kids throughout Italy.
In this case though, i don't think we should be giving much credit to Moggi for guys like Giovinco and De Ceglie. These guys were born and raised in Torino and when they were kids their parents made the choice to take their kids to Juve's youth academy.
Since they were talented they made it.
I don't think Moggi should be given a credit for Giovinco's mother giving birth to a son in Torino or Giovinco's father taking his little kid on trainings on the right side of the city.
The only influence Moggi had on these kids' careers is the mess he's done that led to Calciopoli and put us in serie B where there was a chance for the youngsters to show themselves.
Why are you laughing,CL is truly a gamble,you cant just count on your players and tactics,you need luck to be on your side also when it comes to CL,look at the Monaco team that beat Chelsea,nearly every player on that Chelsea team was better in terms of quality against that of Monaco but as you saw,that motivated the Monaco players,and with a bit of luck they won..I get that our team is no way as strong as Chelsea,MU,Madrid or Barca..but when it comes to a CL match,its always the team with the better luck on game day,which will go through..
Milan did not win a CL in 2006. it was 2007, and even then they had the best midfield in the tournement at that time, in Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso & Seedorf. Bayern have a better squad than us, that is obvious."thier defence is crap" Lahm, Lucio & Sagnol crap? according to your logic, Grygera is a better fullback than lahm, Melberg is better than Lucio & Molinaro is better than Sagnol if thier defence is crap, i would'nt want to know what our defence is
Milan did not win a CL in 2006. it was 2007, and even then they had the best midfield in the tournement at that time, in Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso & Seedorf. Bayern have a better squad than us, that is obvious."thier defence is crap" Lahm, Lucio & Sagnol crap? according to your logic, Grygera is a better fullback than lahm, Melberg is better than Lucio & Molinaro is better than Sagnol if thier defence is crap, i would'nt want to know what our defence is
Lahm defensively is crap, sagnol is past it, hes injured as we speak. I don't understand your logic, you always compare players head to head, how old are you?
It doesn't work that way my friend, its not just the names that make a team good. Might as well go support some other team full of names. Players that cost more than 10 million, EPL style.
You need luck AND QUALITY.. Our defence is a shambles. Gryerga, Zebina, Molinaro, Knezevic, Melberg are mediocre players. We've invested a toal of 400,000 euros on our defence & a total of 10million euros on our midfield. That clearly shows we have no intentions of competing for anything this season.
"it's 2006 2007 you idiot" then why did you state it as "2006", Milan won thier last CL in the year 2007, imbecile.
"Lahm is defensivley crap" That's not the point. The fact is he's a hell lot better than what we have.
You seriously needl help if you think that a defence that contains Knezevic, Molinaro, Legro, Zebina and Melberg can win the CL.
"Lahm is defensivley crap" That's not the point. The fact is he's a hell lot better than what we have.
You seriously needl help if you think that a defence that contains Knezevic, Molinaro, Legro, Zebina and Melberg can win the CL.
"it's 2006 2007 you idiot" then why did you state it as "2006", Milan won thier last CL in the year 2007, imbecile.
"Lahm is defensivley crap" That's not the point. The fact is he's a hell lot better than what we have.
You're seriously need mental help if you think that a defence that contains Knezevic, Molinaro, Legro, Zebina and Melberg can win the CL.
"Lahm is defensivley crap" That's not the point. The fact is he's a hell lot better than what we have.
You're seriously need mental help if you think that a defence that contains Knezevic, Molinaro, Legro, Zebina and Melberg can win the CL.
How fucking bizzare to say Bayern have a better squad then us (not to mention Viola, wtf!!!).
Their defence is frigging average, Lucio if he played for us, we would TEAR our hair off. Did you see how he cost them the Uefa cup game against Zenit? Total joke. Sagnol is as finished as one can be, doesnt even play for them anymore (Lell, or Lahm RB with Janssen left). Lahm is their only top player in the D, and its mostly for offensively, he is a walk in the park player to face defensively. His liability in that regard was evident in the euros, in the Turkey game for one.
Their defence is frigging average, Lucio if he played for us, we would TEAR our hair off. Did you see how he cost them the Uefa cup game against Zenit? Total joke. Sagnol is as finished as one can be, doesnt even play for them anymore (Lell, or Lahm RB with Janssen left). Lahm is their only top player in the D, and its mostly for offensively, he is a walk in the park player to face defensively. His liability in that regard was evident in the euros, in the Turkey game for one.
Agreed but thats not my point, i m judging the new managements additions and choices and comparing them to Milan's stregtheninn this year
No no no, you misunderstood me, i didnt meant either of them is better,
i just said that, both those investments to get the other half of co owned players, were big enough to be deemed transfers, so include him as an addition to Milan's mercato!
At this stage, every addition is possible, we dont rate the player's performance, just their value and potential when we consider then as mercato objects!
Glad you see that.
The guys responsible for our youth academy left along with the triade, after the Moggi era, didnt they?
Moggi should not be given any credit for Giovinco, but the men that were working by his side and were responsible for Giovinco should. His trainers and all the staff involved then should!
And the ones who realized his talent, before the scandal erupted!
When i see a talent like Giovinco raising from our academies and being spotted as such, then i will praise this management for this!
I personally heard the name Giovinco, before i heard the name Secco, so no praise for Secco on this behalf. Just like i ve been saying this for years and i m sure that you know as well!
At rest it was Giovinco's fate to be available at the time we were in B and had the chance to demonstrate his value, but again he would probably find his way in our team, even without this chance...
No no no, you misunderstood me, i didnt meant either of them is better,
i just said that, both those investments to get the other half of co owned players, were big enough to be deemed transfers, so include him as an addition to Milan's mercato!
At this stage, every addition is possible, we dont rate the player's performance, just their value and potential when we consider then as mercato objects!
Glad you see that.
The guys responsible for our youth academy left along with the triade, after the Moggi era, didnt they?
Moggi should not be given any credit for Giovinco, but the men that were working by his side and were responsible for Giovinco should. His trainers and all the staff involved then should!
And the ones who realized his talent, before the scandal erupted!
When i see a talent like Giovinco raising from our academies and being spotted as such, then i will praise this management for this!
I personally heard the name Giovinco, before i heard the name Secco, so no praise for Secco on this behalf. Just like i ve been saying this for years and i m sure that you know as well!
At rest it was Giovinco's fate to be available at the time we were in B and had the chance to demonstrate his value, but again he would probably find his way in our team, even without this chance...
And Alen, you missed the real point of this discussion. Its not about whether Juve was better in mercato, or bilan. The question is, did we brought the right players? QUOTE]
I'm not Alen but I can say you that you missed the real point, cuz in last few pages we are disscissing Milan vs. Juve mercato.
the SAD fact is that you're a real pessimist, and that you don't allow anyone to prove you wrong even for a sec. When someone bring facts you call them cheap shots or just ignore parts where they prove you wrong. And you just won't accept the fact that even our BOD did some good job, everything good that we managed you say it's thanks to Moggi. I have nothing personal against you, but you must accept others opinions and the fact that you're sometimes beaten in the argument.
And now Sonderos transfer is simply hillarious, he will replace Nesta while he is injured?
And about Roma and Riise, do you think it's fair to compare him to Molinaro?
not Juve versus Milan mercato. My anser was on the question about our mercato. I dont like the comparsions between our mercato and the one of Bilan.
To your second point- Im not a pessimist, the only thing I want is that Juve should be perfect. And this transfer campaign wasnt nearby perfect. Im a perfectionist. I would be pleased and satisfied if we brought a WC defender and a creative mid.
I am accepting the opinions of others. But I can disagree about som points. I have told you only my opinion, nothing else. Its not like Im telling you whats right, or not.
I dont think, and I never told that Senderos can replace Nesta. Hes mediocre in my opinion(the truth is, I didnt saw many Arsenal games last season)
Tell me please, what time I have compared Riise to Molinaro
and the post I have replied was Goggo -s not mine
To end the Senderos v. Melberg debate. I have to say though that Melberg isn't half bad, though over the last few seasons Senderos has at times been brilliant. Then he's been crap, which is why he's on loan. Melberg is way more consistent. Then again standing next to Nesta probably makes anyone better, but this is about the present and not the future so Melly Berg wins.
Milan did not win a CL in 2006. it was 2007, and even then they had the best midfield in the tournement at that time, in Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso & Seedorf. Bayern have a better squad than us, that is obvious."thier defence is crap" Lahm, Lucio & Sagnol crap? according to your logic, Grygera is a better fullback than lahm, Melberg is better than Lucio & Molinaro is better than Sagnol if thier defence is crap, i would'nt want to know what our defence is
Looking at the squad overall its even debatable but not the defense.
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