[ITA] Serie A 2015/2016 (76 Viewers)

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Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
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I think you're reasoning behind him not being overrated is wrong. You're basically praising him for being loyal, that has nothing to do with the fact that he is overrated as a football player.

Don't get me wrong here, he's been a good player and a great ambassador for that club. When I say he's overrated, some people call him the greatest post-war Italian player. If that's the base, is this even a discussion? As a "great" football player, he never in 23 years did something of note for that club in the CL. Clubs like Dortmund, Monaco and Deportivo have been to CL finals. When he first made it to the quarter-finals, he choked badly against United twice.

Scholes, Giggs, Gerrard, Maldini, Zanetti and Del Piero? Sure they all played for bigger clubs, but they also delivered at the very highest stage under intense pressure for their clubs. I can't ever recall Totti playing under intense pressure for Roma. He's been great for a club basically being OK with finishing top 4 every year. He's a terrible leader, or as Rudi Garcia pointed out, he is no leader, just a quiet "example". And since he's a die-hard romanista, that makes it reasonable to blame Juve for your failures? Del Piero post-calciopoli didn't mention a word about Inter or anyone else, that's what you call class.

Overshadowing Dzeko? Even Zaza would overshadow Dzeko if that was the case. Totti overshadowing Dzeko says more about how terrible Dzeko is than Totti's quality.

And at last, the comparison to Zlatan. Again you're comparing their loyalties, in that case Totti is way above. But give Zlatan 23 years in Rome and he sure would've delivered 10x more to them than what Totti has.

I respect that you admire his loyalty, we all do, but he is overrated as a footballer. For a club like Juventus where finishing 2nd is basically a total failure, he would've been shipped out a long time ago (even the great Del Piero was eventually). And if he'd left for Real Madrid I do think he would've flopped as well. One thing I do give him credit for though is his contribution to the Nazionale. He only had 58 caps but was very good particurarly in the 2000 and 20006 tournaments.
:tup: spot on.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
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Dear Serie A


This was your chance. This year was your one chance, and you blew it.

No team lost the quality of players that Juve did this summer, and you all had your chance. And you blew it.

No team had to integrate so many players in such a short amount of time. You all had your chance. And you blew it.

No other team even came close to the amount of injuries suffered this season. Had Chance. Blew it.


No champion in the previous year had struggled as badly as Juve did to start the first two months of the season. Chance. Blown.




So, good luck next year when we won't be losing three champions over the summer in the way we did this year, where two of them basically left for free.

Sure. Hang on to the small hope that they lose Pogba and Morata this year.



And then stop and realize that those two will bring in close to 130 million Euro for Juve to spend.



Good luck Roma, Napoli, Milan, Inter. You're going to need it
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this league... tbh i was hoping for some excitement at the end of the season.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,346
I think you're reasoning behind him not being overrated is wrong. You're basically praising him for being loyal, that has nothing to do with the fact that he is overrated as a football player.

Don't get me wrong here, he's been a good player and a great ambassador for that club. When I say he's overrated, some people call him the greatest post-war Italian player. If that's the base, is this even a discussion? As a "great" football player, he never in 23 years did something of note for that club in the CL. Clubs like Dortmund, Monaco and Deportivo have been to CL finals. When he first made it to the quarter-finals, he choked badly against United twice.

Scholes, Giggs, Gerrard, Maldini, Zanetti and Del Piero? Sure they all played for bigger clubs, but they also delivered at the very highest stage under intense pressure for their clubs. I can't ever recall Totti playing under intense pressure for Roma. He's been great for a club basically being OK with finishing top 4 every year. He's a terrible leader, or as Rudi Garcia pointed out, he is no leader, just a quiet "example". And since he's a die-hard romanista, that makes it reasonable to blame Juve for your failures? Del Piero post-calciopoli didn't mention a word about Inter or anyone else, that's what you call class.

Overshadowing Dzeko? Even Zaza would overshadow Dzeko if that was the case. Totti overshadowing Dzeko says more about how terrible Dzeko is than Totti's quality.

And at last, the comparison to Zlatan. Again you're comparing their loyalties, in that case Totti is way above. But give Zlatan 23 years in Rome and he sure would've delivered 10x more to them than what Totti has.

I respect that you admire his loyalty, we all do, but he is overrated as a footballer. For a club like Juventus where finishing 2nd is basically a total failure, he would've been shipped out a long time ago (even the great Del Piero was eventually). And if he'd left for Real Madrid I do think he would've flopped as well. One thing I do give him credit for though is his contribution to the Nazionale. He only had 58 caps but was very good particurarly in the 2000 and 20006 tournaments.

Yeah well, it's "your".
 

DAiDEViL

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2015
64,714
Roma CL return bad for Italy
Ross Highfield for Football Italia

Roma have tightened their grip on third place but their probable presence in the Champions League next season is bad news for Serie A, writes Ross Highfield.

After Inter’s impressive win over Napoli at the weekend and Roma’s second consecutive draw against Atalanta, it briefly looked like the race for the third and final Champions League qualification place in Serie A had been re-opened. After the mid-week round of matches, though, Roma’s grip on third looks as strong as ever.

Roma were fortunate to win 3-2 against Torino with a debatable late penalty providing the winner, and the capital club had trailed 2-1 going into the last five minutes. With Inter losing at Genoa, though, the numbers look pretty convincing for the Giallorossi; they now have a seven-point cushion over fourth place with just four games remaining.

Even if Roma were not convincing against Torino, there were positives to be taken from the match; not merely grinding out an important victory, but also Francesco Totti’s impact as a substitute. Totti struck both goals in the last few minutes to turn the game on its head, after a tough period where he has clashed with his coach and seen very little game time.

The Giallorossi do have some tough remaining fixtures, but the feeling remains that third place is now theirs to lose, which should make this a time of celebration in Rome. But the persistent issues surrounding Luciano Spalletti and Francesco Totti, plus growing rumours that Spalletti is wanted by Italy when Antonio Conte leaves, mean that there is too much uncertainty around the club for them to really enjoy this period.

Besides, the Champions League, whilst being a target for all big European clubs, does not hold too many happy memories for Roma. They did qualify from the group stage this season, but only won one game in six and crashed out at the first knockout round, losing both home and away legs. This was not the first time Roma have looked ill-suited to the competition, with memorable heavy defeats against Manchester United and Barcelona, but also huge numbers of goals conceded against much weaker opposition.

If Roma finish third, they will deserve their chance to compete at this level again, but it can only be viewed as bad news for Italy and Serie A’s European coefficient. Roma are much more enterprising and entertaining than Roberto Mancini’s Inter, and their Zdenek Zeman-like approach in Serie A has seen them register several high-scoring wins. But the “score one more than the opposition” approach will not work so easily in Europe, where better teams will embarrass Roma once again.

Inter’s style under Mancini has been much discussed, and many are unhappy with such a big club playing in such a reactive way, soaking up pressure and ceding possession before counter-attacking their opponents. But whatever one’s opinion, and indeed allegiance, it is difficult to argue against the suggestion that Inter would be much better prepared to do well in the Champions’ League than Roma next season.

As it stands, Roma look to be entering the competition, assuming they are able to negotiate a potentially difficult preliminary match – see Lazio’s struggles against Bayer Leverkusen back in August. They may entertain, win hearts and display football that is easy on the eye. But their tactical naivety is likely to see them struggle to make any real impact on the competition again, with Italy’s coefficient set to fall even lower as a result.
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