[ITA] Serie A 2011/2012 (64 Viewers)

[adriano_c]

Look, I know what I saw during the Ranieri-era. Little by little, week by week, the Juve spirit faded away.

I'm not giving Delneri any credit whatsoever, because he was a horrible coach who never should've been hired in the first place.

My point is simply this: Our "fall" from being Juve was a lot bigger under Ranieri than it was under Delneri. When Delneri came to the club, we fell further, yes, but we had been slipping for a long time. By the time Delneri came to the club, we were no longer in contention for titles, we were no longer feared, we had been turned into a team full of pussies. That trend started under Ranieri.

It's a matter of opinion, of course, but I think you're wrong! Ranieri, when fired, left us in position for CL football. Ciro, Zaccheroni, poor transfer strategy et al. blundered that away. What did Del Neri do? Take us on a vacation through the depths of the abyss. He was and is the antithesis of "lo stile Juve." He was like a flatulent gondolier wrapping the club in a foul stench and then sinking it to never-before-seen levels.

 

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[Fake Melo]

Fucking Napoli, I hope they the match against Milan goes on and they absolute destroy them.

 

[v1rtu4l]

In reality it was Ferrara's horrid results that really destroyed the Juve mentality. Ranieri was simply guilty of too many draws, Ferrara's results following the initial honeymoon period were a complete embarrassment.

thing is, ferrara never had a frickin clue what to do... after every defeat he told the media that he will work hard to find out what was wrong... a real coach would actually have seen what was wrong and work hard to get better and not "work hard to find out whats wrong". how clueless can one be ? even though we had funny metaphores like the chameleon and the tree ranieri did at least have a clue and knew what he wanted (a successor to nedved), if secco thinks otherwise and buys diego instead because he played almost as much football manager as some here its not his fault. we would have been in a much better position right now if we had continued to gather second or third places in serie a, than this bullshit with everything that followed after ranieri.

regarding the substitutions it's really funny to see people make fun of ranieris substitutions, since most people here do not get 90% of the substitutions of the coaches. nearly every fan base does say weired things about their coaches subs. milans fans blame the coach for bad subs, juve fans blame conte for wrong or late subs, inter fans blame ranieri for the subs... now what is more probable:

A) every coach that has studied long and hard to get the basics of tactics (including subs) and got many years of experience doing that is just a stupid goon

B) fans simply having no fucking clue and always knowing better (in retrospect of course)

 

[Jem83]

You're way too kind with Ranieri adriano_c, and I think you're staring too blindly at the results and the statistics. Like I wrote in an earlier post, the stuff I'm really talking about can be found more explicitly in his press conferences, interviews, tactics and substitutions. And what players he influenced Secco to go get.

So I think you're wrong, too!

What we can agree on, however, is that Delneri is a terrible coach, who did poorly at Juventus, and never should've been hired.

 

[ALC]

thing is, ferrara never had a frickin clue what to do... after every defeat he told the media that he will work hard to find out what was wrong... a real coach would actually have seen what was wrong and work hard to get better and not "work hard to find out whats wrong". how clueless can one be ? even though we had funny metaphores like the chameleon and the tree ranieri did at least have a clue and knew what he wanted (a successor to nedved), if secco thinks otherwise and buys diego instead because he played almost as much football manager as some here its not his fault. we would have been in a much better position right now if we had continued to gather second or third places in serie a, than this bullshit with everything that followed after ranieri.

regarding the substitutions it's really funny to see people make fun of ranieris substitutions, since most people here do not get 90% of the substitutions of the coaches. nearly every fan base does say weired things about their coaches subs. milans fans blame the coach for bad subs, juve fans blame conte for wrong or late subs, inter fans blame ranieri for the subs... now what is more probable:

A) every coach that has studied long and hard to get the basics of tactics (including subs) and got many years of experience doing that is just a stupid goon

B) fans simply having no fucking clue and always knowing better (in retrospect of course)

Would you sub out Milito, who scored four goals, for Zarate?

 

[j0ker]

Fucking Napoli, I hope they the match against Milan goes on and they absolute destroy them.

You want a Milan win?

 

[Bezzy]

Did Ranieri say that Sneijder did good but there is still space for improvement in his game? Sneijder? It's like he's talking about Obi or Immobile, not a guy who led his team to CL and almost won a WC.

whole holland called ranieri an complete idiot after those comments

 

[Jem83]

Well "whole holland" is right

 

[Linebreak]

Ferrara was not the right man for the job at that particular time. But I don't think you and some others understand what it is exactly I'm referring to when it comes to Ranieri. I'm not talking about results only. Did you follow press conferences at that time? Did you see the sort of substitutions he made? Did you see the tactics he employed? Obviously not.

And do you remember how he, when he had the chance to influence transfers, blocked the Xabi Alonso transfer and begged Secco to get Poulsen instead? His request for the Iaquintas and Momos of this world? You have to understand that Ranieri is a ballsucker, and he loves cock in the anal hole. And tonight, like so many other nights, he got it.

Relax I do agree Ranieri began the rot. His record is well known.

 

[adriano_c]

You're way too kind with Ranieri adriano_c, and I think you're staring too blindly at the results and the statistics. Like I wrote in an earlier post, the stuff I'm really talking about can be found more explicitly in his press conferences, interviews, tactics and substitutions. And what players he influenced Secco to go get.

So I think you're wrong, too!

What we can agree on, however, is that Delneri is a terrible coach, who did poorly at Juventus, and never should've been hired.

Nah, I'm not really a fan of Ranieri. I didn't like his appointment to begin with and, while I acknowledge his negatives and somewhat defeatist attitude, he never "murdered the Juve spirit." Which is what we were initially arguing about. Sure the cracks in the surface started to appear under his watch but he cannot be found guilty of murder! That's all Del Neri. The statistics do matter, in this case, as attested to by the numerous "worst season ever" stats he managed to break. No matter what Ranieri ever blabbered about, Del Neri's got him beat in the interview category as well. This guy was just such a quintessential loser and it rang out with every infamous quote. He transformed us from a Juventus coming off an anomalously bad season into just another team wearing black and white. I mean that. Everything from players laughing in defeat on the pitch to minnows looking at us as a team to take points off of.

-edit. Forgot to address that transfer market point. I've had to say this elsewhere, but I'll say it again, the disastrous moves on the market can't be nailed onto one scapegoat. Ranieri, Secco, Blanc, Gigli (and possible more) people all had degrees of input.

-edit. One more thing, concerning tactics. Ranieri actually maintained a solid defence for us, a Juve hallmark. Del Neri, on the other hand, had us getting mauled by anyone and everyone.

 

[Bezzy]

Well "whole holland" is right

ofcourse

 

[Jem83]

So, adriano_c, you would argue that, until we hired Delneri, we were "Juve" ? And you know what I mean by that.

I'll even ask you this: until we hired Ferrara and Zaccheroni, what you saw on the pitch was Juve?

Was it Juve you saw on the pitch when Ranieri lead the team?

If your answer is yes, we will end the discussion, because then we can't bridge our opinions whatsoever.

Ranieri fucking ruined my Juve. The worst thing this club ever did was firing Deschamps and hiring that fucking loser.

edit: I'm not saying Delneri made things better, quite the opposite: he made it even worse. But that isn't the point.

 

[Salvo]

Wow, great results.

 

[adriano_c]

So, adriano_c, you would argue that, until we hired Delneri, we were "Juve" ? And you know what I mean by that.

I'll even ask you this: until we hired Ferrara and Zaccheroni, what you saw on the pitch was Juve?

Was it Juve you saw on the pitch when Ranieri lead the team?

If your answer is yes, we will end the discussion, because then we can't bridge our opinions whatsoever.

Ranieri fucking ruined my Juve. The worst thing this club ever did was firing Deschamps and hiring that fucking loser.

edit: I'm not saying Delneri made things better, quite the opposite: he made it even worse. But that isn't the point.

A beaten and bloodied, disorganized and confused Juve, yes. Still a semblance of the team, as much as anything could be, after Calciopoli.

Ranieri is not guilty of killing Juve. He maybe slipped the wrong medication into the IV.

Ciro and Zaccheroni, through clumsiness and ineptitude, knocked Juve into a coma.

Del Neri? He anally penetrated, defiled, spit on, made a mockery of, and finally pulled the plug on the life support.

He is the one guilty of said murder.

I will never change my mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jem83]

A beaten and bloodied, disorganized and confused Juve, yes. Still a semblance of the team, as much as anything could be, after calciopoli.

Ranieri is not guilty of killing Juve. He maybe slipped the wrong medication into the IV.

Ciro and Zaccheroni, through clumsiness and ineptitude, knocked Juve into a coma.

Del Neri? He anally penetrated, defiled, spit on, made a mockery of, and finally pulled the plug on the life support.

He is the one guilty of said murder.

I will never change my mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ranieri inherited a much, much, MUCH better Juve than Delneri did.

 

[adriano_c]

Ranieri inherited a much, much, MUCH better Juve than Delneri did.

Neither here nor there as we're discussing the murder, remember?

How many times did I tell myself "this isn't Juventus" while watching when Del Neri was in charge, I'll never know. Meanwhile, the Ranieri-led club had me saying "Man, this Juve is shit."

The latter was still a Juve, albeit, malformed and hideous.

 

[Salvatore]

https://twitter.com/#!/djibrilcisse1

Urgh.

 

[Jem83]

Neither here nor there as we're discussing the murder, remember?

How many times did I tell myself "this isn't Juventus" while watching when Del Neri was in charge, I'll never know. Meanwhile, the Ranieri-led club had me saying "Man, this Juve is shit."

The latter was still a Juve, albeit, malformed and hideous.

The reason you were saying "this isn't Juventus" when Del Neri was in charge is that the murder had already taken place

Look, Delneri was terrible. Completely useless coach. But the thing is: Ranieri inherited a Juve with great potential. A team with several champions who still had a lot to give. A team that was "on the up" after a very good season. A team that did incredibly well to crawl out of Serie-B with a huge points deduction.

Delneri inherited a much worse team.

 

[sallyinzaghi]

wow he's definitely pissed off

 

[Fint]

https://twitter.com/#!/djibrilcisse1

Urgh.

Idiots