[ITA] Serie A 2011/2012 (47 Viewers)

[Jem83]

adriano_c, maybe you understand better if I put it simply, like this:

When Ranieri came to the club, he took charge of JUVE. When he left, the club wasn't JUVE anymore.

When Delneri came to the club, he did not take charge of JUVE. He took charge of "that other stuff" ... (I, personally, have called it Newve, for several years). And when he left, it was still Newve.

Do you now understand why I point to Ranieri when talking about the "murder" ?

Something profoundly changed when Ranieri was in charge of the club!

 

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[adriano_c]

The reason you were saying "this isn't Juventus" when Del Neri was in charge is that the murder had already taken place

Look, Delneri was terrible. Completely useless coach. But the thing is: Ranieri inherited a Juve with great potential. A team with several champions who still had a lot to give. A team that was "on the up" after a very good season. A team that did incredibly well to crawl out of Serie-B with a huge points deduction.

Delneri inherited a much worse team.

Ranieri, I think, was rather unfairly sacked. A string of draws, sure, but who's to say what he could have done with another market that year. We certainly would have averted the disaster that followed, at minimum.

Del Neri? Nothing more needs to be said about this criminal.

Anyway, let's leave it at this. I'll be the Ranieri sympathizer, you'll be the Del Neri sympathizer! I know which I'd sleep better at night being!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jem83]

Ranieri, I think, was rather unfairly sacked. A string of draws, sure, but who's to say what he could have done with another market that year. We certainly would have averted the disaster that followed, at minimum.

Del Neri? Nothing more needs to be said about this criminal.

Anyway, let's leave it at this. I'll be the Ranieri sympathizer, you'll be the Del Neri sympathizer! I know which I'd sleep better at night being!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah... right

And as for "who knows what he could've done with another market" .. Do you realize that he blocked the Xabi Alonso transfer and begged Secco to get Poulsen? And that he had a huge part in bringing Iaquinta, Momo and Amauri to the club? Thank GOD he didn't get another market!!

I'm not a Delneri sympathizer!!!

 

[adriano_c]

adriano_c, maybe you understand better if I put it simply, like this:

When Ranieri came to the club, he took charge of JUVE. When he left, the club wasn't JUVE anymore.

When Delneri came to the club, he did not take charge of JUVE. He took charge of "that other stuff" ... (I, personally, have called it Newve, for several years). And when he left, it was still Newve.

Do you now understand why I point to Ranieri when talking about the "murder" ?

Something profoundly changed when Ranieri was in charge of the club!

I know exactly what you're arguing. I just disagree completely. I think a Juve remained after Ranieri. I said it earlier, it may well have been a shell of the club (considering Calciopoli), and other negative moments, cracking slightly, but nowhere near falling apart. Ciro and Zaccheroni took tire irons to it, but still, every club has a one-off year of atrocity. Del Neri was the death knell and executioner.

 

[Jem83]

Yeah, Juve before Delneri was real super

I'm not saying Delneri made it any better, because he didn't. But Juve before Delneri sucked ass, and the trend started in the Ranieri era. This is a fact, not an opinion.

 

[adriano_c]

Yeah... right

And as for "who knows what he could've done with another market" .. Do you realize that he blocked the Xabi Alonso transfer and begged Secco to get Poulsen? And that he had a huge part in bringing Iaquinta, Momo and Amauri to the club? Thank GOD he didn't get another market!!

I'm not a Delneri sympathizer!!!

Unfairly sacked in the sense that he had taken us to second place a mere two years after being in second division. That's nothing to scoff at. Were there problems? Of course. Still a good achievement.

Ranieri was not able to unilaterally "block" or veto any transfers. There has been so much conflicting information through interviews with the different parties involved, it's hard to know exactly what happened.

Funny though, those names you mention about the market, Iaquinta, Sissoko and Amauri all did well under Ranieri.

Poulsen always received unnecessary flak because of goofy people here being so keen on Alonso.

Anyway, I will give you a +rep for your courage in standing up as a Del Neri sympathizer. It takes a lot of guts to do so.

 

[Jem83]

"second place"

"did well"

"Poulsen always received unnecessary flak"

Seriously, do you remember nothing of who we were? What this club is about?

edit: Rep me if you will, but I don't sympathize with Delneri at all. So you better get your facts straight.

 

[adriano_c]

Yeah, Juve before Delneri was real super

I'm not saying Delneri made it any better, because he didn't. But Juve before Delneri sucked ass, and the trend started in the Ranieri era. This is a fact, not an opinion.

Nowhere did I say it was "super."

A trend starting is one thing, saying he killed Juve is entirely another.

 

[Trequartista]

Close to 75 M spent on Amauri, Melo and Diego is what almost killed Juve after Calciopoli.

 

[Linebreak]

Yeah, Juve before Delneri was real super

I'm not saying Delneri made it any better, because he didn't. But Juve before Delneri sucked ass, and the trend started in the Ranieri era. This is a fact, not an opinion.

Dude, just get over it. You're flooding the thread with your view on Ranieri. You've stated it 16000 times already!

 

[adriano_c]

"second place"

"did well"

"Poulsen always received unnecessary flak"

Seriously, do you remember nothing of who we were? What this club is about?

I've been following Juventus since 1987, so, yes, I do know what the club is about (or so I hope).

However, I'm not so naive that I don't understand the magnitude and unprecedented effect that Calciopoli had and how expectations had to be adjusted in the immediate aftermath. Having said that, even with these in consideration, Juventus in the Ranieri years was not completely undone as you so claim.

As for Poulsen? People here would have you believe he was the worst player in the world. He wasn't. Simple as that.

 

[Gabriel]

Ranieri is a loser no doubt, but he knows how to build a team and is (or was) not bad when it comes to signings

 

[Jem83]

There is no coach who have harmed Juventus more than Claudio Ranieri. This is the essence of everything I've said. I'm perfectly aware of the fact that the results and league standings have never been any worse than under Delneri, so I knew that singling out Ranieri would take a lot of explaining on my part. I have now tried to give those explanations. The essence is that Ranieri inherited the real Juventus and managed to fuck it up and that Delneri did not inherit the real Juventus, and that there was a lot less for him to fuck up, and the demise we experienced under Delneri was lesser than the one we experienced under Ranieri (because we were shit to begin with, when Delneri took the reigns). If you still don't agree with me, that's perfectly fine.

As for Calciopoli, it certainly played a huge part in our downfall (duh), but we were discussing coaches and let's just leave it at that.

 

[YasoR17]

The combination of Ranieri and Secco ruined this team. Ranieri + anyone else than fucko sucko would'nt be as half as bad.

 

[Gabriel]

Well, Deschamps fucked you all by resigning.

 

[YasoR17]

Well, Deschamps fucked you all by resigning.

Exactly, the reason behind that fucked us. As in Fucko Sucko

 

[Trequartista]

Alessio Secco is the worst thing to ever happen to this club, after Calciopoli.

 

[Hust]

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[LowLife]

Awesome results. What would have been like if we played last night? I really believe snow helped us. And I hope Conte doesn't have a loser mentality in the upcoming matches to play for a draw or something like that. We should play our best players and win all these matches we can have a 5-6 points more than Milan in the next 2-3 games with a game in hand. We should win upcoming games, since Milan will drop points to Udinese and Napoli. Then we play against them get a draw and we have a very good chance to win the scudetto .

Thanks a lot Lazio

 

[Linebreak]

Awesome results. What would have been like if we played last night? I really believe snow helped us. And I hope Conte doesn't have a loser mentality in the upcoming matches to play for a draw or something like that. We should play our best players and win all these matches we can have a 5-6 points more than Milan in the next 2-3 games with a game in hand. We should win upcoming games, since Milan will drop points to Udinese and Napoli. Then we play against them get a draw and we have a very good chance to win the scudetto .

Thanks a lot Lazio

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