[ITA] Serie A 2010/2011 (17 Viewers)

[Fred]

The 2006 fiasco will haunt you guys forever, any player who wants to hit a nerve with Juventus just has to say that Juve are favored by refs

But seriously, i feel for you guys, as if it wasn't enough getting demoted.

But then again, i'm amazed that some people are still fond of the man responsible for this whole fiasco, Moggi.

 

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[Azzurri7]

Responsible for what exactly?

 

[Fred]

For Juve getting indicted in court?

 

[Azzurri7]

Says who?

 

[Fred]

Says the court. Wasn't he charged and found guilty and on that basis Juventus were demoted?

Now i probably don't know as much about the case as you guys do, but if you're telling me Juventus were completely innocent or Moggi was completely innocent, that will be a little too hard for me to believe. I don't believe for one second that a big team such as Juve can be set up this easily. But if you tell me that Inter Milan and others did the same thing but Juve were made the scapegoat, that might be true, maybe it was a case of Juve getting caught and Inter not getting caught. Still, Moggi is responsible for his actions, and should shoulder the blame for what he did to a club like Juve.

I know that i were a Juve fan, i would probably hate Moggi's guts.

 

[Martin]

Says the court. Wasn't he charged and found guilty and on that basis Juventus were demoted?

Now i probably don't know as much about the case as you guys do, but if you're telling me Juventus were completely innocent or Moggi was completely innocent, that will be a little too hard for me to believe. I don't believe for one second that a big team such as Juve can be set up this easily. But if you tell me that Inter Milan and others did the same thing but Juve were made the scapegoat, that might be true, maybe it was a case of Juve getting caught and Inter not getting caught. Still, Moggi is responsible for his actions, and should shoulder the blame for what he did to a club like Juve.

I know that i were a Juve fan, i would probably hate Moggi's guts.

My version of this is rather less infused with pink ponies and so on. I think everyone is guilty and this whole thing is a game to see who can get whom in trouble over what. As you said Juve could not have been dragged over the coals if there wasn't anything to it. Then again that doesn't mean justice was instituted in any meaningful sense.

 

[Azzurri7]

No you wouldn't and you probably shouldn't hate his guts.

Not even the judges themselves can give us one single proof against Moggi. They charged him for silly things, things that every single Patron in Italy and even outside Italy does some fishy things, just like any other patron in every single company or factory etc.

We didn't need any help to win those Scudetti. What for they revoked them from us? Because the court and the judges thought we cheated for those Scudetti.

Not even the best Mourinho team + Ancelotti's best Milan would be able to stop the 04-05-06 Juventus. Therefore, I believe it was all arranged against Juventus.

And always, keep in mind, there are no proofs against Juventus nor Moggi. Not a single evidence.

 

[Salvatore]

But seriously, i feel for you guys, as if it wasn't enough getting demoted.

True enough about the demotion, but I've got better things to get annoyed at than the words of other players/coaches. We all know why they're attacking Juventus, and that is because for once in her glorious history she is weakened.

I'm putting a lot of faith in the courts that they will hopefully do the right thing. I want to see the face of Zdeněk Zeman after that news.

 

[Azzurri7]

True enough about the demotion, but I've got better things to get annoyed at than the words of other players/coaches. We all know why they're attacking Juventus, and that is because for once in her glorious history she is weakened.

I'm putting a lot of faith in the courts that they will hopefully do the right thing. I want to see the face of Zdeněk Zeman after that news.

Zampa as-well.

 

[Salvatore]

Zampa as-well.

And as obvious as it sounds, Moratti as well.

 

[j0ker]

Uncle Fester's as well.

 

[Salvatore]

Meh, surely he is in the same position as us because Milan got punished?

 

[j0ker]

Oh my bad I thought you were talking about tomorrows decision about Krasic.

 

[JCK]

Watch the match tonight, Napoli fans will throw fish at Zlatan because of his back tattoo.

 

[Azzurri7]

 

[Fake Melo]

What is his tattoo of?

 

[Nicholas]

Chiellini was here x3

 

[Fred]

My version of this is rather less infused with pink ponies and so on. I think everyone is guilty and this whole thing is a game to see who can get whom in trouble over what. As you said Juve could not have been dragged over the coals if there wasn't anything to it. Then again that doesn't mean justice was instituted in any meaningful sense.

If by justice you mean, all guilty parties were to receive punishment like Juve, then i agree of course.

That still does not excuse Moggi's shady deals.

No you wouldn't and you probably shouldn't hate his guts.

Not even the judges themselves can give us one single proof against Moggi. They charged him for silly things, things that every single Patron in Italy and even outside Italy does some fishy things, just like any other patron in every single company or factory etc.

We didn't need any help to win those Scudetti. What for they revoked them from us? Because the court and the judges thought we cheated for those Scudetti.

Not even the best Mourinho team + Ancelotti's best Milan would be able to stop the 04-05-06 Juventus. Therefore, I believe it was all arranged against Juventus.

And always, keep in mind, there are no proofs against Juventus nor Moggi. Not a single evidence.

You see thats what makes it a lot worse. Juve had one of the most complete squads in Europe in that period, they didn't need ref's help at all, and i think any objective viewer of the Serie A at that time, would agree that juventus were indeed the best team in Italy then.

But to say what Moggi did was ok, because others did it as well, doesn't really convince me to be honest. What he did was wrong, regardless of how many people did it.

As for there not being any evidence against Moggi or Juve, well please excuse my ignorance here, as you probably know more about this than me, but if there was no evidence, then on what basis did they demote Juve and ban Moggi?

How about the telephone transcripts of Moggi's conversations with referees?

 

[JuveJay]

To my knowledge there isn't one count of evidence that Moggi did anything illegal or against the sporting laws?

Basically they found him guilty of jaywalking 6 times and handed him a murder charge.

 

[JCK]

What is his tattoo of?

A fish.