[ITA] Serie A 2010/2011 (15 Viewers)

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Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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I never said what Moggi did was okay because I, like anyone else don't know what Luciano's crime is. I know that in Italy he wasn't or isn't as influential and strong/powerful as Berlusca or the other rat Inter President.

They did conduct him for some silly phone calls, for some gifts giving to the refs (which I repeat again according to them he fixed games and bribed refs which is nonsense to me)... revoked two Scudetti from us and throw us in Serie B. I think it's all fixed and I'm convinced that we did nothing wrong at least from what I've read and heard. I need eye touched evidence or a single proof to condemn Moggi like you're doing right now not handing out couple of phone calls between him and a ref and some other silly things.

Moratti succeeded in this, I admit. He played it well, look now at Inter.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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As for there not being any evidence against Moggi or Juve, well please excuse my ignorance here, as you probably know more about this than me, but if there was no evidence, then on what basis did they demote Juve and ban Moggi?
Actually, there wasn't really any evidence.
Not in the sense that they had a phonecall which proves that Moggi was fixing matches or picking referees.

They had some X number of phone calls and individually none of them was showing anything illegal. But they used all the phone calls as a base to construct a story that there was a system in place, orchestrated by Moggi.

They only had an assumption that Moggi was doing all that and the way they formed the whole story, all those calls they presented did imply at first that there was something shady going on (but only IMPLY, not prove. Not even close to it). The judges accepted it and convicted him in a minute. That was hilarious.

But all the new phone calls, with other figures from big clubs doing exactly the same things Moggi did are destroying the initial argument that there was a system orchestrated by Moggi. So now we will have a situation that everyone was doing the same and that if there was a system, you can't call it a Moggi system and you can't blame Moggi for doing anything different than the rest.

They demoted Juve and banned Moggi under the bases that he was the only figure who created and ran this system that favored only Juve and no-one else. They couldn't demote Juve and ban Moggi under anything else.
But if back then it was proved that he wasn't the only one doing it, then there wasn't a system either and the most Juve and Moggi could have been punished were small things that granted fines and nothing else.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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If by justice you mean, all guilty parties were to receive punishment like Juve, then i agree of course.

That still does not excuse Moggi's shady deals.
But that nullifies the whole thing. If everyone is guilty and it's hard to determine who is less guilty and who is more then you can't really do anything. You could send all Serie A clubs to Serie B and vice versa. But then Serie B clubs were involved too...
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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Hamsik to do this again tonight:

What an ownage that was. Due to this defeat Milan played UEFA Cup in 2008/09. :touched:

Look what he does to Gattuso and Kaladze :lol:

P.S: And look who's Milan's goalkeeper. I sooooo miss him.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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Please, Hamsik is just an invisible player. He barely makes any contributions :howler:
He kinda is, though. In the sense that he rarely holds the ball longer than 2 seconds (this goal is an obvious exception). He isn't a player who will dribble. He rarely makes more than 1 touch of the ball before he passes it.

He's incredibly intelligent football player, though, and his off the ball movement is the best I've seen in a while.
He grows up as a player every season. Now he does the simple things and spreads the game excellently.

If there is someone who is a mixture of Xabi Alonso's and Inzaghi's football skills, then it's Hamsik, as unbelievable as such mixture sounds.
 
May 22, 2007
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Bleh, look how many Napoli players were standing in the middle of the penalty area for that goal.

He kinda is, though. In the sense that he rarely holds the ball longer than 2 seconds (this goal is an obvious exception). He isn't a player who will dribble. He rarely makes more than 1 touch of the ball before he passes it.
People say it as if he barely does any work to helping the team. I think it's hard to not notice a player who is constantly involved in the team game, who helps to dictate Napoli's play, always an attacking threat etc.

He's incredibly intelligent football player, though, and his off the ball movement is the best I've seen in a while.
He grows up as a player every season. Now he does the simple things and spreads the game excellently.
:tup:

If there were an equivalent to Trezeguet in midfield, then Hamsik would be that player. I love players who can make such a huge impact like he does.

If I could have chosen one player who could have taken the #17 shirt from Trez, it would be fitting if Hamsik did. :D
 
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