Israeli-Palestinian conflict (112 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

  • Yes

  • No


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Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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The pro-Israel people I know are really pushing hard that this is almost a gift to the Iranian people and they're all celebrating this. Oh and this. Thanks for the wonderful, charitable gift Israel :howler:

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Most people I know don’t give a shit if regime’s military sites are destroyed, and hence they ARE celebrating. Although it hasn’t hit their bottom line just yet. Tonight Israel bombed 2 oil depots in northwest and south of Tehran, and I imagine if attacks like these continue there’ll soon be fuel shortages followed by shortages in everything else.
Regardless of the shortages. One of the oil depots is in dense residential neighborhood, and 5 years ago a city council member warned it could cause a Beirut style catastrophe. While that hasn’t happened, thankfully, there probably be a large destruction of civilian property.
 

Mokku

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Apr 17, 2019
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Unlike the Iranians, the Israelis can replace their government; by voting.
Really? There have been many protests against the current government and the IDF seem to be silencing the people with a lot of force. Pretty much every Isreali official has lied on every topic, so it wouldn't surprise me if this baby killing regime silenced a few protesting Isrealis.
 
Jun 17, 2011
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Most people I know don’t give a shit if regime’s military sites are destroyed, and hence they ARE celebrating. Although it hasn’t hit their bottom line just yet. Tonight Israel bombed 2 oil depots in northwest and south of Tehran, and I imagine if attacks like these continue there’ll soon be fuel shortages followed by shortages in everything else.
Regardless of the shortages. One of the oil depots is in dense residential neighborhood, and 5 years ago a city council member warned it could cause a Beirut style catastrophe. While that hasn’t happened, thankfully, there probably be a large destruction of civilian property.
I have no doubt that most Iranians want their government gone, but for them to imply that a foreign power bombing them and aiming to install some sympathetic government is an act to be celebrated is ludicrous.
 

Ronn

Senior Member
May 3, 2012
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I have no doubt that most Iranians want their government gone, but for them to imply that a foreign power bombing them and aiming to install some sympathetic government is an act to be celebrated is ludicrous.
What I’m saying is that they will be celebrating until they realize it impacts them too, and not only top IRGC commanders.
 
Apr 14, 2005
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What I’m saying is that they will be celebrating until they realize it impacts them too, and not only top IRGC commanders.
Military sites getting destroyed will impact them too, there is no viable political alternative to the mullahs as bad as they are. Everyone in iran and everyone who loves iranians and despises the criminal state of israel should only be concerned about 2 things:

-Iran reeatablishing deterrence via devastating strikes within israel
-Iran acquiring nuclear weapons

I was against Iran getting nukes, but the alternative is much worse imo
 

Ronn

Senior Member
May 3, 2012
20,962
Military sites getting destroyed will impact them too, there is no viable political alternative to the mullahs as bad as they are. Everyone in iran and everyone who loves iranians and despises the criminal state of israel should only be concerned about 2 things:

-Iran reeatablishing deterrence via devastating strikes within israel
-Iran acquiring nuclear weapons

I was against Iran getting nukes, but the alternative is much worse imo
I meant in a short term basis. I disagree with the nukes part since it turns the country into a pariah state, much more than what it is now. But some sort of deterrence is necessary. People are starting to wake up to the reality that Israel won’t act in their best interests and enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. It might be too late.
 
Apr 14, 2005
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I meant in a short term basis. I disagree with the nukes part since it turns the country into a pariah state, much more than what it is now. But some sort of deterrence is necessary. People are starting to wake up to the reality that Israel won’t act in their best interests and enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. It might be too late.
Nukes are the only deterrent when it comes to israeli and american aggression, the only country in the axis of evil that never got bombed is the one with nukes. And tbh the only country id put my money on to ever use nukes is israel, so yeah every country around them should have nukes, at the very least iran, saudi, and turkey.
 
Dec 22, 2018
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Pakistan and India having nukes is a good example of deterrence through the threat of MAD. They had a mini-war last month, but both were responsible enough to avoid hitting each other's nuclear sites.

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Nukes are the only deterrent when it comes to israeli and american aggression, the only country in the axis of evil that never got bombed is the one with nukes. And tbh the only country id put my money on to ever use nukes is israel, so yeah every country around them should have nukes, at the very least iran, saudi, and turkey.
Totally agree on this point.
 

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