Israeli-Palestinian conflict (56 Viewers)

[Seven]

You could've just stopped there - I've personally read, enjoyed and rated a number of Turk posts funny (although never useful, I'm still a bit confused about that), so the rest of your wonderful construct is flawed because your first assumption is as wrong as it can be.

Using ratings statistics is fun though I wish we had more tools to emphasize what a mediocre poster you are in comparison to Turk.

You can use any rating system you want and I'm not too bothered by it. I like banter and I like annoying Turk, so who am I to complain?

However I do have an issue with Turk commenting in this thread. I don't think anything he has said in here so far has been acceptable really.

 

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[swag]

as I understand it, 1930s was an economically challenging time for ze Germans, aggravated by the banking crisis, which didn't do any favors to the popularity of the jewish population. I'm not voting for populist or radical right wing parties nowadays and I don't think that would've changed if I was born a 100 years earlier, but of course it's hard to guarantee it, obviously a lot of Germans voted for Hitler back then. either way, I strongly disagree that you or anyone else on tuz might know how I would've voted in the 1930s in Germany.

The 1930s were weird all around. I recently came across this 1938 magazine cover in Brazil that was trying to scare the shadrach, meshach and abednego out of Brazilians about the prospect of waves of Jewish immigrants fleeing Europe and flooding their shores. It never happened. Some things never change.

 

[Seven]

The 1930s were weird all around. I recently came across this 1938 magazine cover in Brazil that was trying to scare the shadrach, meshach and abednego out of Brazilians about the prospect of waves of Jewish immigrants fleeing Europe and flooding their shores. It never happened. Some things never change.

What a shame.

Hasidic Jews kicking it in Copacabana would have been a sight.

 

[Tomice]

What a shame.

Hasidic Jews kicking it in Copacabana would have been a sight.

No chance for hasidic jew in South Central America. Not enough social benefits to suck on

 

[s4tch]

No chance for hasidic jew in South Central America. Not enough social benefits to suck on

a guy in the family runs a car rental business, he told me that he never had any feelings against any nation, race or ethnicity, but hasidic jews made him change his mind.

two short stories. once they rented two cars from him to attend a meeting. 5 people, 2 cars, he was surprised that they didn't take only one, but until they pay, it's fine. he saw on the gps tracking that both cars were parked at the same spot for a few days. then shortly before the rental period ended, one of the cars started to move, the other stayed. dudes realized that they fit in one car and left the other one ~150 km's from the headquarters of the rental business. the owner had to go and pick up the other car. 300 kms driven because of sheer stupidity.

then an other time they rented a car, returned it with two windows completely broken on the right side. the owner asked them wtf happened, they answered that someone accidentally left the key in the car and somehow they locked the door, so they broke the window of the rear door. the owner asked, why the front door window is also broken? answer: they couldn't reach the key from the rear so they smashed the other one too. and of course every single car they returned was filthy af. now he's not answering calls from israeli numbers anymore.

 

[Post Ironic]

he's a more valuable forum member than @Seven because his jokes are not repetitive and are more funny. and he's been right about Allegri for years, which also makes him a better football analyst than @Seven.

however access to tuz should depend on forum rules.

Repeating the same shitty hot take on Allegri every few days from 2014 onwards until it finally came true certainly makes him a great football analyst.

I won’t even bring up his 12 years of Beppe banalities. I’m sure you find those quite brilliant too lol

 

[Tomice]

a guy in the family runs a car rental business, he told me that he never had any feelings against any nation, race or ethnicity, but hasidic jews made him change his mind.

two short stories. once they rented two cars from him to attend a meeting. 5 people, 2 cars, he was surprised that they didn't take only one, but until they pay, it's fine. he saw on the gps tracking that both cars were parked at the same spot for a few days. then shortly before the rental period ended, one of the cars started to move, the other stayed. dudes realized that they fit in one car and left the other one ~150 km's from the headquarters of the rental business. the owner had to go and pick up the other car. 300 kms driven because of sheer stupidity.

then an other time they rented a car, returned it with two windows completely broken on the right side. the owner asked them wtf happened, they answered that someone accidentally left the key in the car and somehow they locked the door, so they broke the window of the rear door. the owner asked, why the front door window is also broken? answer: they couldn't reach the key from the rear so they smashed the other one too. and of course every single car they returned was filthy af. now he's not answering calls from israeli numbers anymore.

Can't blame him. Don't like'em either. I imagin they are even worse abroad.

Hasidic jew have very little in common with every other Israeli or jew beside being jewish. Even their version of Judaism is a perversion of it.

 

[Seven]

Can't blame him. Don't like'em either. I imagin they are even worse abroad.

Hasidic jew have very little in common with every other Israeli or jew beside being jewish. Even their version of Judaism is a perversion of it.

We should be cautious to not allow personal experiences with particular persons cloud our judgment towards an entire people.

There is a large group of Hasidic Jews in Antwerp though and what I find, at the very least, remarkable is that it is almost impossible to interact with them. They have created a ghetto for themselves. But even walking around in that ghetto, you don't have the feeling you could talk to one of them. I'm not sure what would happen if I'd bump into one. I think nothing probably. They'd just walk on.

I'm not sure what to think of it. But it is very strange how they have lived in a society within a society for decades now.

 

[Post Ironic]

Interesting read.

 

[Tomice]

We should be cautious to not allow personal experiences with particular persons cloud our judgment towards an entire people.

There is a large group of Hasidic Jews in Antwerp though and what I find, at the very least, remarkable is that it is almost impossible to interact with them. They have created a ghetto for themselves. But even walking around in that ghetto, you don't have the feeling you could talk to one of them. I'm not sure what would happen if I'd bump into one. I think nothing probably. They'd just walk on.

I'm not sure what to think of it. But it is very strange how they have lived in a society within a society for decades now.

Hasidic jews are a more strict sub group of Haredic jews. There are a lot of sub-groups even within the hasidic movement. Wildly different behaviours.

Most orthodox jews abroad are hasidic, usually similar to the more strict, isolationist hasidic groups in Israel. Some of their neighborhoods here even me as a jew will feel uncomfortable and unwelcome.

It a relatively a new movement in Judaism, but their visibility is high and they do create antagonisim since they don't integrate or mingle. They can even be an economic burden on the wider society, here it's worse since they also have a strong political sway.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

It’s not a suggestion but Iran’s stated policy. There’s no secret or ambiguity here.

I thought I saw statements early on that there "was no evidence" or something like that.

 

[Strickland]

Repeating the same shitty hot take on Allegri every few days from 2014 onwards until it finally came true certainly makes him a great football analyst.

I won’t even bring up his 12 years of Beppe banalities. I’m sure you find those quite brilliant too lol

see @Seven, people would rather defend Allegri and his tactics than your sense of humor

 

[Tomice]

Interesting read.

Thanks. Brilliant read. Wish they had more sensible voices like that

 

[Seven]

see @Seven, people would rather defend Allegri and his tactics than your sense of humor

I'm sorry, I couldn't understand you because you have a cock in your mouth.

 

[Post Ironic]

see @Seven, people would rather defend Allegri and his tactics than your sense of humor

If that is what you got from my post, I’m kinda embarrassed for you. You really are a Turk level dullard.

 

[Strickland]

If that is what you got from my post, I’m kinda embarrassed for you. You really are a Turk level dullard.

sorry, this is my fault. not every thread needs to be infected with with the stench of the dead horse that is the debate of our current coach, I apologize for mentioning you-know-who.

 

[Tomice]

Interesting read.

This touches the issue I have with westerners using the slogan "free palestin". Their version of it is not true to the original meaning, it's a "soft" version they can live with. Their version is the easier to digest one and gather more support around.

Typical "westsplaining".

 

[Ronn]

I thought I saw statements early on that there "was no evidence" or something like that.

Iran has been funding Hamas for years. Those "no evidence" comments was basically to provide a path for plausible deniability for Iran, which helps to reduce the scope of the war. There's no question that Iran was involved at some level. Even "Al-Aqsa storm" banners (Iran calls 10/7 attacks by that name) popped up in Tehran less than 24 hours after the attack.
Israel has been doing sabotage operations in Iran for years now btw.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Interesting read.

The problem with this is 2 fold. Number 1, stop the current killing and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians . Number 2 a long lasting peace. For number 1, the best and fastest way to get israel to stop is to get public opinion agaisnt them and you don't do by appealing to reason and pragmatism. Israel will only stop killing civilians if the world sees the true monster it is in HD.

Number 2 is about balance of power. Like i said before, in the current state of affairs, israel has 0 incentive for peace or 2 state solution and will continue on killing off and displacing Palestinians. So either new players enter the game or old ones disengage or reduce their involvement, disrupting the current power structure and forcing israel to want to compromise.

As fucked up as the arab world is, I don't think it is the main problem here. Pre october 7, even saudi was going to normalize relations with israel. With many others having already done that. The main problem is Israels ability to do anything and everything it wants with no real repercussions. Once that changes, there will be peace.

 

[Tomice]

The problem with this is 2 fold. Number 1, stop the current killing and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians . Number 2 a long lasting peace. For number 1, the best and fastest way to get israel to stop is to get public opinion agaisnt them and you don't do by appealing to reason and pragmatism. Israel will only stop killing civilians if the world sees the true monster it is in HD.

Number 2 is about balance of power. Like i said before, in the current state of affairs, israel has 0 incentive for peace or 2 state solution and will continue on killing off and displacing Palestinians. So either new players enter the game or old ones disengage or reduce their involvement, disrupting the current power structure and forcing israel to want to compromise.

As fucked up as the arab world is, I don't think it is the main problem here. Pre october 7, even saudi was going to normalize relations with israel. With many others having already done that. The main problem is Israels ability to do anything and everything it wants with no real repercussions. Once that changes, there will be peace.

The fastest way to stop the killing and ethnic cleansing of palastinians is for them to disarm, surrender and accept israeli/american peace terms.

The best and fastest way to get palestinians to do that is to stop cuddeling them, stop the subseides and international aid and stop incentives them to remain stateless and without responsibility.

The best way to that is disturb the balance of power where the arb world and western people keep feeding thier delusion of grandure where this conflict end in any other way then them keep losing land and lives.

They will not have a state on thier terms, but ours.
They have lost and it's time for the world to let or force them accept it and not delude them further.

The main problem is the world allowing palestinians to continue playing stupid games and win stupid prizes. The main problem is giving them false hope by marching on some streets chanting free Palestine.

The notion that Israel enjoy killing palestinians civilians like it's a sport is part of a 20 years arab/russian propaganda campign of dehumanizing Israelis and jews.