Israeli-Palestinian conflict (36 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

Just received a message from a member of a Facebook group asking me to change my avatar as it was "offensive to Jewish members". Too bad it had nothing to do with Jews.

 

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[Eddy]

What picture was it ? The one you have right now as an avatar in your post ?

And tell them to fuck off, this doesn't have anything to do with Jews.

 

[Enron]

Have you heard any MEANINGFUL talk on a separate Palestinian state being implemented? No. So there you have it.

Your faith in the possibility of one is therefore unfounded. No indications are there to say a free Palestinian state will be arranged.

Actually, President Bush was quoted this summer as saying the only peaceful solution was a two state system. Some would say free elections in Gaza were the first signs of the ability to have a two state system. But maybe you're right there is no solution other than to keep everything the way it is. And that's real constructive.

 

[Enron]

"We should see things the way they are, not how we want them to be."

- Gerald Celente

People who say things like that are the reason the world is how it is.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Actually, President Bush was quoted this summer as saying the only peaceful solution was a two state system. Some would say free elections in Gaza were the first signs of the ability to have a two state system. But maybe you're right there is no solution other than to keep everything the way it is. And that's real constructive.

you re talking theory, Andy is talking practice. Everyone, including your 'terrorist" group hamas, will agree on 2 states; and as i showed you the israelis know the most viable negotiating party in palestine now is hamas. But israel will not adhere to the borders agreed by the whole wide world. Why you ask? because they have no intent to establish peace heck they assassinated the one leader who signed the only peace treaty with the palestinians. Like i said earlier in this thread, not only is it ok but it is mandatory to have bias towards the truth.

 

[Enron]

you re talking theory, Andy is talking practice. Everyone, including your 'terrorist" group hamas, will agree on 2 states; and as i showed you the israelis know the most viable negotiating party in palestine now is hamas. But israel will not adhere to the borders agreed by the whole wide world. Why you ask? because they have no intent to establish peace heck they assassinated the one leader who signed the only peace treaty with the palestinians. Like i said earlier in this thread, not only is it ok but it is mandatory to have bias towards the truth.

I know all that. It's frustrating because the situation could be a lot better, but no one wants to make it happen.

You guys point out the truth. That's fine. I appreciate it. I guess you assume I'm ignorant or something, whatever it doesn't matter. I see all the details or truth, as you call it, the same as you do. The difference is I tend to look past them. You point them out, Andy does too, though he's more wrapped up in being "right" than anything. You guys get so angry and... nothing. Do you see what I'm getting at? Acknowledging the situation will only get you so far. Everyone is very good at pointing out the problems, but we're lacking on the solutions. If there is truly no solution, then why care?

As for you mandatory bias claim, sure the truth is important. But if the truth isn't a good thing shouldn't we strive to make it better?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I know all that. It's frustrating because the situation could be a lot better, but no one wants to make it happen.

You guys point out the truth. That's fine. I appreciate it. I guess you assume I'm ignorant or something, whatever it doesn't matter. I see all the details or truth, as you call it, the same as you do. The difference is I tend to look past them. You point them out, Andy does too, though he's more wrapped up in being "right" than anything. You guys get so angry and... nothing. Do you see what I'm getting at? Acknowledging the situation will only get you so far. Everyone is very good at pointing out the problems, but we're lacking on the solutions. If there is truly no solution, then why care?

As for you mandatory bias claim, sure the truth is important. But if the truth isn't a good thing shouldn't we strive to make it better?

I actually never assumed you were ignorant, i just always thought you d want to be as objective as possible, and in doing so you might give more credit to one group than it's due.

I think we re amalgamating truth and reality, truth is unequivocal reality on the other hand can be molded.

 

[Snoop]

He's back

Man we are so fast to miss each other on this forum.

or you are so fast in spreading rumors

 

[Bjerknes]

I know all that. It's frustrating because the situation could be a lot better, but no one wants to make it happen.

You guys point out the truth. That's fine. I appreciate it. I guess you assume I'm ignorant or something, whatever it doesn't matter. I see all the details or truth, as you call it, the same as you do. The difference is I tend to look past them. You point them out, Andy does too, though he's more wrapped up in being "right" than anything. You guys get so angry and... nothing. Do you see what I'm getting at? Acknowledging the situation will only get you so far. Everyone is very good at pointing out the problems, but we're lacking on the solutions. If there is truly no solution, then why care?

As for you mandatory bias claim, sure the truth is important. But if the truth isn't a good thing shouldn't we strive to make it better?

I'm not calling you ignorant, Enron.

For us to begin discussion about having a truly separate Palestinian state, what first has to happen is Israel needs to be sanctioned to the fullest extent of international law and free handouts from US taxpayer dollars needs to halt. Israel has their army already, so they don't need any more handouts. Once these sanctions happen, and once Israel can no longer sustain wars and break agreements, then we can talk about a separate state. If not the aggression continues unfortunately.

 

[Bjerknes]

you re talking theory, Andy is talking practice. Everyone, including your 'terrorist" group hamas, will agree on 2 states; and as i showed you the israelis know the most viable negotiating party in palestine now is hamas. But israel will not adhere to the borders agreed by the whole wide world. Why you ask? because they have no intent to establish peace heck they assassinated the one leader who signed the only peace treaty with the palestinians. Like i said earlier in this thread, not only is it ok but it is mandatory to have bias towards the truth.

Yeah exactly.

 

[Bjerknes]

What picture was it ? The one you have right now as an avatar in your post ?

And tell them to fuck off, this doesn't have anything to do with Jews.

It was a picture of dumping US taxpayer money into an Israeli wine glass that lead to the bottom where a palestinian kid was drowning.

They always see that as an attack on their religion. They're so sensitive.

 

[Vinman]

Yeah, really strange.

Probably from a group of right-winged, disenchanted and completely insane individuals.

yes...I've forgpotten that anyone with opposing views than you are either insane, or dont know what they are talking about....

I bet none of your "Arab" friends give a shit of what's going on anyway. I also think think they told you that because you're an American and they will not tell you that the Arab countries are America's puppets.

yes Eddy, thats the exact reason

btw- they dislike Israel

 

[ReBeL]

yes...I've forgpotten that anyone with opposing views than you are either insane, or dont know what they are talking about....



yes Eddy, thats the exact reason

btw- they dislike Israel

So what standards did they use to evaluate Palestinians as lowest than the other Arabs?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Goats to Quo'rans ratio, same as always.



I'm joking.

 

[Il Re]

Goats to Quo'rans ratio, same as always.



I'm joking.

 

[CheSchifo!]

I'm not calling you ignorant, Enron.

For us to begin discussion about having a truly separate Palestinian state, what first has to happen is Israel needs to be sanctioned to the fullest extent of international law and free handouts from US taxpayer dollars needs to halt. Israel has their army already, so they don't need any more handouts. Once these sanctions happen, and once Israel can no longer sustain wars and break agreements, then we can talk about a separate state. If not the aggression continues unfortunately.

The problem is that you're looking at this issue from one side only: Israel must change. It's not just Israel that has to change, Andy. And even if that were the case, Israel would never accept that. Sanctioning them to the fullest extent of international law is easier said than done as states are always more or less sovereign, even if they are bound by treaties.

 

[CheSchifo!]

yes...I've forgpotten that anyone with opposing views than you are either insane, or dont know what they are talking about....



yes Eddy, thats the exact reason

btw- they dislike Israel

Like I've said before, I believe Andy has difficulties with being moderate. He suddenly finds out that not everything America does is good and now America can do nothing but wrong anymore. Same thing with Obama. He was mad about him a couple of months ago, but Obama screws up once according to him and the love is over.

 

[CheSchifo!]

I really believe the only way to solve the issue is to create 2 states. Palestine and Israel. That's basically the only compromise each side would make. It would be pointless to ask Israelis to leave the Middle East because they won't. It would be terrible to ask Palestinian to keep living like second class citizens. The only way to stop the violence is to separate the two.

Of course. Anything else is bollocks.

 

[Martin]

Fun poll. Should do one for Israel as well.

 

[CheSchifo!]

There are lots of fun polls these days. Check out the "Did the Holocaust exist" poll!