Israeli-Palestinian conflict (46 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

  • Yes

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Fab Fragment

Senior Member
Dec 22, 2018
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Hamas really did its best this time to have Israel want to raze Gaza right to the ground. I have and will criticize Israel for how they’ve oppressed the Palestinians for decades, but…

…if this is actually true, I mean wtf. How could any human do this to children/infants?

https://www.nationalreview.com/news...s-of-hamas-terrorists-beheading-children/amp/

Independent French journalist Margot Haddat, formerly of CNN, also reported Wednesday that she had seen images of the disfigured infants.
“It’s so macabre that no one wanted to reveal it until they had 100 percent confirmation,” Haddad wrote on X. “It is a horror, a massacre. For those asking for the source. They are multiple: Israeli army, internal intelligence service and atrocious images which reached me and which I was able to cross-check,” she said. “But the best source remains this: courageous journalists from the foreign press who were able to see/agreed to see with their own eyes the bodies in Kfar Aza.”
Not exactly true:
https://news.sky.com/story/its-impo...-report-of-beheaded-babies-in-israel-12982329
 

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Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
And then you have these people who enjoy the freedoms of the western world and I bet at least 90% are in favor of what hamas is doing .

https://9gag.com/gag/aPg0o3g

And then you have western people who somehow support this kind of people which for me is baffling .
Air Canada just fired this insane pilot:

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/air-canada-pilot-fired-after-anti-israel-social-media-posts-1.6597526

And then in Vancouver after a vigil held for the victims of Hamas, there was shit like this happening:

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/2-women-say-t...ollowing-israeli-vigil-in-vancouver-1.6596474

People like this should get deported, a one way ticket so they can go show their dedication to the cause.

As I’ve said before, criticizing Israel’s policies and actions is fine, but celebrating what Hamas just did is evil and insane and anyone doing so should be turned into a pariah.

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The French journalist above, Margot Haddad said she had seen and cross-checked the photos of “disfigured” infants. I don’t know much about her and her reputation as a journo, but regardless of being beheaded or not, Hamas was executing children and infants.
 

Fab Fragment

Senior Member
Dec 22, 2018
4,112
Air Canada just fired this insane pilot:

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/air-canada-pilot-fired-after-anti-israel-social-media-posts-1.6597526

And then in Vancouver after a vigil held for the victims of Hamas, there was shit like this happening:

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/2-women-say-t...ollowing-israeli-vigil-in-vancouver-1.6596474

People like this should get deported, a one way ticket so they can go show their dedication to the cause.

As I’ve said before, criticizing Israel’s policies and actions is fine, but celebrating what Hamas just did is evil and insane and anyone doing so should be turned into a pariah.

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The French journalist above, Margot Haddad said she had seen and cross-checked the photos of “disfigured” infants. I don’t know much about her and her reputation as a journo, but regardless of being beheaded or not, Hamas was executing children and infants.
But apparently, IDF does not confirm this claim of 40 beheaded children:
https://theintercept.com/2023/10/11/israel-hamas-disinformation/
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
But apparently, IDF does not confirm this claim of 40 beheaded children:
https://theintercept.com/2023/10/11/israel-hamas-disinformation/
That article said that Hamas militants raping women had not been verified… but there were multiple interviews with survivors from the music festival massacre that said Hamas militants were raping women…

Anyways, as I said above “if this is true”, I hadn’t seen anything stating a specific number of children being beheaded. The journalist from above said she saw images of disfigured infants. Whatever that means. That they were going house to house and executing entire families, including infants, is evil enough.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,865
Hamas really did its best this time to have Israel want to raze Gaza right to the ground. I have and will criticize Israel for how they’ve oppressed the Palestinians for decades, but…

…if this is actually true, I mean wtf. How could any human do this to children/infants?

https://www.nationalreview.com/news...s-of-hamas-terrorists-beheading-children/amp/

Independent French journalist Margot Haddat, formerly of CNN, also reported Wednesday that she had seen images of the disfigured infants.
“It’s so macabre that no one wanted to reveal it until they had 100 percent confirmation,” Haddad wrote on X. “It is a horror, a massacre. For those asking for the source. They are multiple: Israeli army, internal intelligence service and atrocious images which reached me and which I was able to cross-check,” she said. “But the best source remains this: courageous journalists from the foreign press who were able to see/agreed to see with their own eyes the bodies in Kfar Aza.”
Biden says he saw the photos"



"A White House spokesperson later told the Washington Post that Biden had not personally reviewed the photos"


This is typical atrocity propaganda, make a statement so ridiculous ( like really when did you ever see 40 babies at the same place) you either blindly accept it, guaranteeing you are all in on this i.e be ok with genocide. Or you question and be morally bullied, "like what you want csi on this? How about if it was just 39 instead of 40, how many kids does it need to take?". When truth is no longer necessary, morality in general is no longer necessary. So just do away with it, drop the act altogether: "Cease quoting laws to us that have swords girt about us!".



 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Biden says he saw the photos"



"A White House spokesperson later told the Washington Post that Biden had not personally reviewed the photos"


This is typical atrocity propaganda, make a statement so ridiculous ( like really when did you ever see 40 babies at the same place) you either blindly accept it, guaranteeing you are all in on this i.e be ok with genocide. Or you question and be morally bullied, "like what you want csi on this? How about if it was just 39 instead of 40, how many kids does it need to take?". When truth is no longer necessary, morality in general is no longer necessary. So just do away with it, drop the act altogether: "Cease quoting laws to us that have swords girt about us!".



I saw the Biden-White House part of it. I wouldn’t trust anything Biden says anyways. The guy has dementia at this point. I was more so referring the French Journo’s statement about “disfigured infants” and having seen the images and cross-checked the veracity. But as I said, I don’t know anything about her credibility or reputation.

I suppose the point could be that going to door to door, executing entire families, including infants is evil enough, and the act of beheading/whatever shouldn’t really change that judgment. What was done by Hamas was pure evil. Does this make Israeli actions of the past decades better, or somehow morally acceptable? Absolutely not.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,865
I saw the Biden-White House part of it. I wouldn’t trust anything Biden says anyways. The guy has dementia at this point. I was more so referring the French Journo’s statement about “disfigured infants” and having seen the images and cross-checked the veracity. But as I said, I don’t know anything about her credibility or reputation.

I suppose the point could be that going to door to door, executing entire families, including infants is evil enough, and the act of beheading/whatever shouldn’t really change that judgment. What was done by Hamas was pure evil. Does this make Israeli actions of the past decades better, or somehow morally acceptable? Absolutely not.
Hamas actions are 100% evil, it is a death cult. And it wants to drag as many innocent people into its cataclysmic showdown, no doubt. But so are a lot of people on the other side. Simply put, imo israel doesnt have moral ascendancy in the least here. They have won their territories with guile, courage and hard work. Kudos to them for playing the game and winning. But as a country they are no victim and need to bear the brunt of the consequences of their actions alone. I am categorically opposed to the idea of supporting israel in any capacity in its struggles internally or with its neighbors.
 

Strickland

Senior Member
May 17, 2019
5,859
The UN is irrelevant.
their sanction list is pretty relevant. if Hamas is recognized as a terrorist org by the UN and you knowingly donate monies to them and live in one of the UN member states, you will be charged with financing of terrorism. which should dramatically reduce their funding.

so far Hamas is not in UN terrorist sanctions list, only on US. which means that most of the financial institutions all over the world still will be cautious to not let those payments through, as no one wants to fuck with the US and their dollar, but on an individual level if you can find a way to donate (f.e. through cryptocurrency cold wallets), you probably won't be held accountable.
 

Nzoric

Grazie Mirko
Jan 16, 2011
37,877
their sanction list is pretty relevant. if Hamas is recognized as a terrorist org by the UN and you knowingly donate monies to them and live in one of the UN member states, you will be charged with financing of terrorism. which should dramatically reduce their funding.

so far Hamas is not in UN terrorist sanctions list, only on US. which means that most of the financial institutions all over the world still will be cautious to not let those payments through, as no one wants to fuck with the US and their dollar, but on an individual level if you can find a way to donate (f.e. through cryptocurrency cold wallets), you probably won't be held accountable.
How does AQ receive US funding at the moment then


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Nzoric

Grazie Mirko
Jan 16, 2011
37,877
well according to Russian propaganda sites Ukraine was planning to attack Belarus, they come up with all sorts of bs
They received funding when Syria began, and are atm collaborating with officially backed US resistance in Syria. Regarding the funding that has nothing to do with Russian sources, its litterally in leaked documents and e-mails.


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