Israeli-Palestinian conflict (33 Viewers)
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Extreme oppression produces extremism. The security failure on Israel's part was to antagonise Palestine and isolate it from the bargain over border rights. Post 2006, Iran's growing influence on Palestine was foreseeable. Hezbollah should have taught them how Iran can reach Israel over Syria and Iraq and threaten them. Obama tried to broker a discussion in which Hamas were legitimate agents but Netanyahu belligerently shut Obama down. Since then, asserting any right of Palestine whatever precludes a nation from good relations with Israel. The only means of survival left to Palestine is support from pariah states, especially Iran, the most committed antisemitic country in the world.
Netanyahu invited Islamic radicalism into Palestine. He's a classic demagogue who plays politics zero-sum. He identifies people or countries as enemies and sets out to destroy them. A radicalised and isolated Palestine is literally a dream come true for him.
Tony Blair gave the IRA a seat at the table and took them seriously. Nothing about Britain's involvement actually in Northern Ireland and Israel's occupation of Palestine is the same.
Netanyahu invited Islamic radicalism into Palestine. He's a classic demagogue who plays politics zero-sum. He identifies people or countries as enemies and sets out to destroy them. A radicalised and isolated Palestine is literally a dream come true for him.
Tony Blair gave the IRA a seat at the table and took them seriously. Nothing about Britain's involvement actually in Northern Ireland and Israel's occupation of Palestine is the same.
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Cherokees tried legally to stop the deportation. In the time of Jackson they were not that militant, and I doubt they cared about federal government. They just wanted to keep their land. I don’t think there was ever talk of annihilation of the United States.
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But that’s not the same either. Once French were out they did not chase them into France, did they?
I never doubt that Palestinians cause against occupation is legitimate, but I highly doubt Hamas will stop fighting even if Israel goes back to 1967 borders. Their goal, and Iran’s goal is to “remove Israel from the face of the earth”.
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But that’s not the same either. Once French were out they did not chase them into France, did they?
I never doubt that Palestinians cause against occupation is legitimate, but I highly doubt Hamas will stop fighting even if Israel goes back to 1967 borders. Their goal, and Iran’s goal is to “remove Israel from the face of the earth”.
Not necessarily.
The main goal is that Israel is not there. I doubt they'd have as much issue with it, if Israel was part of Australia. Obviously I don't agree with the methods they employ. But if you believe a certain people are wrongfully occupying a certain territory, it makes sense that the goal behind your organization is that those people have to give up that territory. I'm not sure if that goal is by definition wrong.
None of this takes away though that terrorism is just flat out wrong.
The main goal is that Israel is not there. I doubt they'd have as much issue with it, if Israel was part of Australia. Obviously I don't agree with the methods they employ. But if you believe a certain people are wrongfully occupying a certain territory, it makes sense that the goal behind your organization is that those people have to give up that territory. I'm not sure if that goal is by definition wrong.
None of this takes away though that terrorism is just flat out wrong.
Fair point. There’s two territories in that conflict the UK and Ireland. The presence of one does not exclude the other.
I doubt that Hamas would reject an opportunity to get back a lot of land (say 1967 borders) now that they know they’ll likely keep nothing at all.
but I do agree that at an ideological level they do want to annihilate Israel. There’s plenty of antisemitism intermixing with the legit grievance. Islamists want an Islamic empire. Hamas have a freedom/land struggle but they’re also Islamists at heart.
If the Palestinians magically get a decent chunk of land back to build a state, they’re still set back by decades.
I doubt that Hamas would reject an opportunity to get back a lot of land (say 1967 borders) now that they know they’ll likely keep nothing at all.
but I do agree that at an ideological level they do want to annihilate Israel. There’s plenty of antisemitism intermixing with the legit grievance. Islamists want an Islamic empire. Hamas have a freedom/land struggle but they’re also Islamists at heart.
If the Palestinians magically get a decent chunk of land back to build a state, they’re still set back by decades.
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Hamas are savages…. The Palestinians deserve better leadership and raping and killing innocent women and children is unforgivable.
That being said, what the Israelis have done to Gaza over the years is also inhumane. I fear the collateral damage from the counter offensive will be horrific.
Generally it’s hard to find balanced views in the media. Everyone needs to try and keep an open mind. Hopefully one day they can learn to coexist but I don’t see that happening if Hamas and Israel’s right wing government are in charge on either side.
That being said, what the Israelis have done to Gaza over the years is also inhumane. I fear the collateral damage from the counter offensive will be horrific.
Generally it’s hard to find balanced views in the media. Everyone needs to try and keep an open mind. Hopefully one day they can learn to coexist but I don’t see that happening if Hamas and Israel’s right wing government are in charge on either side.
According to their charter they’re against any peaceful solution, and the whole land of Palestine is a waqf to Muslims until the judgement day.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
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This woman is an associate professor in Yale (meaning she’s tenured). If she still has a job next week I’d say summer 2020 is not over yet.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
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This woman is an associate professor in Yale (meaning she’s tenured). If she still has a job next week I’d say summer 2020 is not over yet.
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Hamas really did its best this time to have Israel want to raze Gaza right to the ground. I have and will criticize Israel for how they’ve oppressed the Palestinians for decades, but…
…if this is actually true, I mean wtf. How could any human do this to children/infants?
https://www.nationalreview.com/news...s-of-hamas-terrorists-beheading-children/amp/
Independent French journalist Margot Haddat, formerly of CNN, also reported Wednesday that she had seen images of the disfigured infants.
“It’s so macabre that no one wanted to reveal it until they had 100 percent confirmation,” Haddad wrote on X. “It is a horror, a massacre. For those asking for the source. They are multiple: Israeli army, internal intelligence service and atrocious images which reached me and which I was able to cross-check,” she said. “But the best source remains this: courageous journalists from the foreign press who were able to see/agreed to see with their own eyes the bodies in Kfar Aza.”
…if this is actually true, I mean wtf. How could any human do this to children/infants?
https://www.nationalreview.com/news...s-of-hamas-terrorists-beheading-children/amp/
Independent French journalist Margot Haddat, formerly of CNN, also reported Wednesday that she had seen images of the disfigured infants.
“It’s so macabre that no one wanted to reveal it until they had 100 percent confirmation,” Haddad wrote on X. “It is a horror, a massacre. For those asking for the source. They are multiple: Israeli army, internal intelligence service and atrocious images which reached me and which I was able to cross-check,” she said. “But the best source remains this: courageous journalists from the foreign press who were able to see/agreed to see with their own eyes the bodies in Kfar Aza.”
And then you have these people who enjoy the freedoms of the western world and I bet at least 90% are in favor of what hamas is doing .
https://9gag.com/gag/aPg0o3g
And then you have western people who somehow support this kind of people which for me is baffling .
https://9gag.com/gag/aPg0o3g
And then you have western people who somehow support this kind of people which for me is baffling .