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Israeli-Palestinian conflict (59 Viewers)
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I cant believe post ironic actually went through the trouble. What that guy is spewing is pure horseshit - anti semitism is an ideological position of discriminating against jews, the fact that having a criticial stance towards proceedings that clearly violate international law is perceived as anti semitism just underlines how terrible the settlements and israeli occupation is. How messed up is you if you feel that both general assembly and security council resolutions resting on the declaration of human rights are anti semitic 
Criticising Israel for encouraging the settlements is not anti-Semitic. Pretending like the scum of the earth are innocent victims in this is probably caused by anti-Semitism. The photo above is Hamas, not ISIS. They not only target innocent people, they also hide among the civilians and want to maximise the innocent Palestinian victims to get sympathy from clueless people like you.
And are you seriously denying that there is anti-Israel bias in the UN? Just compare the number of resolutions condemning Israel to those condemning terrorists like Hamas, Isis or the human rights violations in the Arab countries or even Syria. What else can be expected when the UN probably has more dictatorships than real democracies as members. And Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UAE are members of the Human Rights Council!!!
Criticising Israel for encouraging the settlements is not anti-Semitic. Pretending like the scum of the earth are innocent victims in this is probably caused by anti-Semitism. The photo above is Hamas, not ISIS. They not only target innocent people, they also hide among the civilians and want to maximise the innocent Palestinian victims to get sympathy from clueless people like you.
And are you seriously denying that there is anti-Israel bias in the UN? Just compare the number of resolutions condemning Israel to those condemning terrorists like Hamas, Isis or the human rights violations in the Arab countries or even Syria. What else can be expected when the UN probably has more dictatorships than real democracies as members. And Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UAE are members of the Human Rights Council!!!
And yes, I am seriously denying that there is anti-Israel bias in the UN. The latest example is in 2011 where there was a motion to condemn Israeli settlements in the security council. This was vetoed by the US. There were no provisions entailing economic sanctions or military action against Israel, it was mere condemnation - a foundation from which the uprooting of settlements could be discussed in future peace accords, and it was veteoed by the US. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/19/us-veto-israel-settlement
Furthermore, the resolutions that I am talking about in the general assembly and security council stem from 1949 until 1976 - are you telling me that there was an anti Israel bias in the UN straight after WWII? If so this discussion needs to end right here as I am dealing with someone with absolutely no understanding of Post WWII history and in that case, I am frankly wasting my time here.
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And for every picture of Palestinian extremists doing horrid things you post I can post a matching picture of Israeli cruelties. That should not be the point of this discussion as crimes have been done by both sides - if we are looking for a solution to the issue we have to start with Israel making concessions which will allow for moderate forces within the Palestinian political bodies to sway the population. Israel holds all the bargaining chips and the only thing in the hands of Palestinians is ceasing violence in exchange for statehood - devaluating this subject to emotional pornography by posting pictures of crimes is besides the point as we need to establish a point where both sides agree that previous history shouldn't be repeated and look forward in a common pursuit of peace, again; if this is to work Israel needs to start by making unilateral concessions that will allow for moderate palestinians to gain momentum, because as it is Israeli policy is pushing a whole new generation of Palestinians straight to the ballot boxes to vote for Hamas.
Quote where I stated unequivocally that I support the policies of the Israeli government that lead to atrocities and crimes. I'm asking for the third time and you won't be able to answer again because I never did. In fact, I stated the exact opposite.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-detention-arson-attack-palestinian-west-bank
This article you linked, you just read the title didn't you. A little exercise in reading comprehension would be to show how this actually contradicts your position (which was that Israel's punishment for Jewish terrorists is a slap on wrist and I support it).
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USA? Nobody denies that.
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If anyone is trolling its you, because you very well know I'm not trolling
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I don't condone atrocities, I don't know where you get that. I make a distinction between civilians killed deliberately and collateral casualties, which are a result of Hamas terrorists hiding among the civilians, a war crime under the Geneva convention. I will say this, though: I don't shed even one tear when islamofascists like yourself get killed.
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I'll answer that: nothing. Because I haven't killed anyone and because there is no afterlife.
Your and Seven's turn now.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-detention-arson-attack-palestinian-west-bank
This article you linked, you just read the title didn't you. A little exercise in reading comprehension would be to show how this actually contradicts your position (which was that Israel's punishment for Jewish terrorists is a slap on wrist and I support it).
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USA? Nobody denies that.
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If anyone is trolling its you, because you very well know I'm not trolling
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I don't condone atrocities, I don't know where you get that. I make a distinction between civilians killed deliberately and collateral casualties, which are a result of Hamas terrorists hiding among the civilians, a war crime under the Geneva convention. I will say this, though: I don't shed even one tear when islamofascists like yourself get killed.
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I'll answer that: nothing. Because I haven't killed anyone and because there is no afterlife.
Your and Seven's turn now.
i seen this video recently
he left islam and support israel now his father was a Hamas leader
You say criticising both Israel and Hamas, but when exactly did you criticise Hamas? You said Israel occupies Palestine for lebensraum, implying they are Nazis, but where do you condemn all the atrocities committed by Hamas and the PLO over the years. Of the two of us I’m the only one who criticised both sides.
“I do not sympathise with Hamas simply because they are detrimental to any notion of peace” – If this is the harshest thing you have to say about Hamas, you and everyone who praised your post should be ashamed.
When you say “The emergence of radicalized groups, such as Hamas”, keep in mind that PLO and Fatah have committed a number of terrorist attacks in the past, and “the Palestinian Mandela”, Yasser Arafat, was a terrorist and a thief.
If you want to look back to 48 and 67 why don’t we look at the whole story.
1. 6 million Jews were murdered during the Holocaust and it was not only Germany’s fault. "There are in Europe 6,000,000 people ... for whom the world is divided into places where they cannot live and places where they cannot enter.” – Chaim Weizmann before the Peel Commission. There was no place in Europe where the Jews could feel safe.
2. The Jews have just as good a claim to the land that is Israel today as the Palestinians, and much better than all the others who have ruled it in the last 2000 years.
3. At the time Palestine was a British territory and it was agreed by them and the United Nations, which you yourself so often quote, to partition the territory.
4. The Palestinians and all the Arab nations rejected the Partition plan and a Civil War broke out. Britain did not intervene.
5. The moment Britain left Palestine, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq attacked Israel. The goal was to destroy Israel, but the Jews pushed them out and conquered some of the territories of the proposed Palestine state.
6. Even after the 1949 Armistice Agreements, none of the aggressors recognized Israel or the international boundaries.
7. No Palestinian state was created, even in Gaza and the West Bank. Gaza was occupied by Egypt and the West Bank by Jordan.
8. About 700k Palestinians became refugees, either fled or were expelled and their homes stolen by Israel. They were settled in refugee camps and most of they were denied citizenship in the Arab countries, except Jordan. Also, their refugee status is inherited by their children.
9. Six Days War - Egypt, Jordan and Syria signed a mutual “defense” agreement against Israel
10. Nasser expelled the UN from Sinai and closed the Straits of Tiran.
11. While they were preparing to attack, Israel launched a preemptive strike and kicked their asses, defeating them once again.
12. Israel conquered Sinai, Gaza, West Bank and the Golan Heights. They returned Sinai to Egypt in 79 and left Gaza in 2005.
13. Jewish minorities were expelled from the Arab countries, the refugees going mainly to Israel.
So when you say how horribly mistreated Palestinians in Israel are, note that they are horribly mistreated in the Arab countries. Human rights are universal and the same moral standard applies regardless of religion or ethnicity or nationality. You say you sympathise with the Palestinian population but you don’t. I do a lot more than you do. If you really did, you would care not just about a Palestinian state, but what rights and life they would have in that state or in any other state. I want the occupation of the West Bank to end and I want a Palestinian country. But I don’t want this country to be ruled by Hamas or some other Islamists who cut off hands or stone people to death for apostasy. I want the minorities, including the jews, in that country to have the same rights as the Palestinians. Just like the Arab citizens of Israel have all the rights that Jews have. I don’t think it’s a lot to ask for as a condition for a Palestine state. But right now, Fatah refuses to even start negotiating. How does that help?
In a conflict, just because both sides are at fault, does not mean they are equally at fault. The truth is not always in the middle. And it is not always the case that the weaker side are good and blameless. If the balance of power between the Jews and the Arabs were reversed, we would've had another Holocaust.
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The purpose of this picture is to demonstrate how utterly disgusting the unwillingness on your part and many other people to strongly condemn Palestinian terrorists and war criminals is.
“I do not sympathise with Hamas simply because they are detrimental to any notion of peace” – If this is the harshest thing you have to say about Hamas, you and everyone who praised your post should be ashamed.
When you say “The emergence of radicalized groups, such as Hamas”, keep in mind that PLO and Fatah have committed a number of terrorist attacks in the past, and “the Palestinian Mandela”, Yasser Arafat, was a terrorist and a thief.
If you want to look back to 48 and 67 why don’t we look at the whole story.
1. 6 million Jews were murdered during the Holocaust and it was not only Germany’s fault. "There are in Europe 6,000,000 people ... for whom the world is divided into places where they cannot live and places where they cannot enter.” – Chaim Weizmann before the Peel Commission. There was no place in Europe where the Jews could feel safe.
2. The Jews have just as good a claim to the land that is Israel today as the Palestinians, and much better than all the others who have ruled it in the last 2000 years.
3. At the time Palestine was a British territory and it was agreed by them and the United Nations, which you yourself so often quote, to partition the territory.
4. The Palestinians and all the Arab nations rejected the Partition plan and a Civil War broke out. Britain did not intervene.
5. The moment Britain left Palestine, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq attacked Israel. The goal was to destroy Israel, but the Jews pushed them out and conquered some of the territories of the proposed Palestine state.
6. Even after the 1949 Armistice Agreements, none of the aggressors recognized Israel or the international boundaries.
7. No Palestinian state was created, even in Gaza and the West Bank. Gaza was occupied by Egypt and the West Bank by Jordan.
8. About 700k Palestinians became refugees, either fled or were expelled and their homes stolen by Israel. They were settled in refugee camps and most of they were denied citizenship in the Arab countries, except Jordan. Also, their refugee status is inherited by their children.
9. Six Days War - Egypt, Jordan and Syria signed a mutual “defense” agreement against Israel
10. Nasser expelled the UN from Sinai and closed the Straits of Tiran.
11. While they were preparing to attack, Israel launched a preemptive strike and kicked their asses, defeating them once again.
12. Israel conquered Sinai, Gaza, West Bank and the Golan Heights. They returned Sinai to Egypt in 79 and left Gaza in 2005.
13. Jewish minorities were expelled from the Arab countries, the refugees going mainly to Israel.
So when you say how horribly mistreated Palestinians in Israel are, note that they are horribly mistreated in the Arab countries. Human rights are universal and the same moral standard applies regardless of religion or ethnicity or nationality. You say you sympathise with the Palestinian population but you don’t. I do a lot more than you do. If you really did, you would care not just about a Palestinian state, but what rights and life they would have in that state or in any other state. I want the occupation of the West Bank to end and I want a Palestinian country. But I don’t want this country to be ruled by Hamas or some other Islamists who cut off hands or stone people to death for apostasy. I want the minorities, including the jews, in that country to have the same rights as the Palestinians. Just like the Arab citizens of Israel have all the rights that Jews have. I don’t think it’s a lot to ask for as a condition for a Palestine state. But right now, Fatah refuses to even start negotiating. How does that help?
In a conflict, just because both sides are at fault, does not mean they are equally at fault. The truth is not always in the middle. And it is not always the case that the weaker side are good and blameless. If the balance of power between the Jews and the Arabs were reversed, we would've had another Holocaust.
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The purpose of this picture is to demonstrate how utterly disgusting the unwillingness on your part and many other people to strongly condemn Palestinian terrorists and war criminals is.
he is just making some lies about palestine to justify his wrong actions and to earn money why he supports from a goverment who wants create a fake state in palestine you talk about hamas as terrorist but israel forces and the USA-backed militias do this too on a even larger scale. The West also does this (quite many of their airstrikes kill innocent people instead of ISIS members).
It seems that it's "okay" to kill innocent people as long as it's in the Middle East only.
It seems that it's "okay" to kill innocent people as long as it's in the Middle East only.
why i got interfaction from X while i didnt insult others!! someone stated muslims are terrorist and named palestine as ,imaginary country!!!why you want to damage the face of palestinians May we one day see a Free Palestine.
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Forever Palestine Lyrics
Mother don’t cry for me I am heading off to war
God almighty is my armour and sword
Palestine, Forever Palestine
Children being killed for throwing stones in the sky
They say to their parents don’t worry, God is on our side
Palestine, Forever Palestine
Mother don’t worry when they come for us at night
Surely they’ll be sorry when God puts them right
Tell me why they’re doing what was done to them
Don’t they know that God is with the oppressed and needy
Perished were the nations that ruled through tyranny
Palestine, Forever Palestine
Children of Palestine are fighting for their lives
They say to their parents we know that Palestine is our right
They to say to their parents we’ll fight for what is right
They say not to worry God is on our side
They say we’ll die for Palestine
Palestine, Forever Palestine
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Forever Palestine Lyrics
Mother don’t cry for me I am heading off to war
God almighty is my armour and sword
Palestine, Forever Palestine
Children being killed for throwing stones in the sky
They say to their parents don’t worry, God is on our side
Palestine, Forever Palestine
Mother don’t worry when they come for us at night
Surely they’ll be sorry when God puts them right
Tell me why they’re doing what was done to them
Don’t they know that God is with the oppressed and needy
Perished were the nations that ruled through tyranny
Palestine, Forever Palestine
Children of Palestine are fighting for their lives
They say to their parents we know that Palestine is our right
They to say to their parents we’ll fight for what is right
They say not to worry God is on our side
They say we’ll die for Palestine
Palestine, Forever Palestine
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