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PhRoZeN

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I heard it on the radio but doing a few searches suggest that the ship is also called rachel corrie. I think we're on about the same ship here and that it must have just rested at Malta before setting off again.
 
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ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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    Putting Names To Faces

    A brief introduction to the nine Turkish people shot dead on 31 May 2010, by Israeli soldiers who attacked the Turkish vessel M.V. Mavi Marmara, as it attempted to transport humanitarian aid to the people of the Gaza Strip.

    1. Ibrahim Bilgen, 61, an electrical engineer from Siirt. Member of the Chamber of Electrical Engineers of Turkey. Married with 6 children.



    2. Ali Haydar Bengi, 39, from Diyarbakir. Graduate of Al-Azhar University, Cairo (Department of Arabic literature). Married with 4 children.



    3. Cevdet Kiliçlar, 38, from Kayseri. Originally a journalist, later an aid worker with the Humanitarian Relief Foundation (IHH). Married with two children. Participating in an IHH African relief project.



    4. Çetin Topçuoglu, 54, from Adana. Former amateur soccer player and taekwondo champion, who coached Turkey's national taekwondo team. Married with one son.



    5. Necdet Yildirim, 32, an IHH aid worker from Malatya. Married with a three-year-old daughter.



    6. Fahri Yaldiz, 43, a firefighter who worked for the Municipality of Adiyaman. Married with four children.



    7. Cengiz Songür, 47, from Izmir. Married with seven children.



    8. Cengiz Akyüz, 41, from Iskenderun. Married with children aged 14, 12 and nine.



    9. Furkan Dogan, 19, student at Kayseri High School; planned to become a doctor. Son of Dr. Ahmet Dogan, Assoc Prof at Erciyes University. A Turkish-American dual national, with two siblings.



    http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2010/06/putting-names-to-faces.html

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    RIP.

    These are the real men in our time.
     
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    ReBeL

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    It's just a clash of opinions, Reb. It's one of the biggest topics here and it's still developing.

    Please reconsider that and try to ignore something if you don't like it. Many people here appreciate your work in this thread as you're providing new news and try to explain some stuff.
    I understand your frustation. You've been in these threads from day one, weve started and closed so many palestinian/lebanese/israeli threads. The whole point of moving the thread here was to take away the history etc wrong right talk (let the facts speak for themselves) and talk more about recent events, have a discussion but without going off topic. Yet everytime someone another brings the same old crap again and we keep going in circles. Your input is greatly appreciated and I very much hope you reconsider, or come back when the trolls have gone. :tup:
    Thank you so much. I will try to ignore the trolls.
     
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    ReBeL

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    ReBeL

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    Some people are acting like the EU even puts any effort into the peace process at all.

    36 Billion Euro - Total Israeli Exports
    25.7 Billion Euro - Total Trade with EU
    11.3 Billion Euro - Total Israeli Exports to EU
    14.3 Billion with Turkey accounted for.

    The European Union could economically neuter Israel if it wanted to and force them to the negotiating table. The problem is we don't want to because neither country matters a damn in the strategic interests of the UK,France or Germany.
    Great post.
     
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    ReBeL

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    You sound surprised :p
    At all, mate.

    We discussed each other many times in this thread, and you said opposing opinions to mine. I do not expect everybody to agree with whatever I say, but I respect those who support their opinions with statistics.
     
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    ReBeL

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    Rachel Corrie the Irish ship on her way to Gaza expected Saturday morning.

    Irish and Malaysian participants are over the ship.
     
    Jul 2, 2006
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    Peace activists claim Israeli forces attacked them saying ‘one minute'

    Peace activists said on Thursday that the Israeli forces who attacked them on a ship planning to go to Gaza to deliver humanitarian aid were saying “one minute,” referring to a previous crisis between Turkey and Israel at the Davos summit last year.

    The Mavi Marmara, carrying 500 supporters and $20 million in humanitarian aid, began its journey from İstanbul to Gaza on May 22 in a show of solidarity with the Palestinian people and in a bid to break Israel's years-long blockade of the Gaza Strip. However, the ship was stormed by Israel forces early Monday morning with marines boarding from dinghies and rappelling from helicopters. At least nine peace activists were killed and dozens were injured during the attack.

    Following Turkey's ultimatum to Israel, hundreds of activists deported from Israel returned to a hero's welcome in Turkey early on Thursday. Recai Kaya, who was on board the Mavi Marmara, said on Thursday that Israel forces attacked them brutally and handcuffed the peace activists while saying “one minute” to try and humiliate them, referring to Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's walkout in Davos.

    During a panel discussion on Gaza at the World Economic Forum (WEF) held in Davos on Jan. 29, 2009, Erdoğan -- who has so far not hesitated to voice his anger and feelings of offense over the disproportionate use of force by Israel leading to the deaths of hundreds of civilians -- walked off the stage in protest of a moderator who did not allow him to speak in response to Israeli President Shimon Peres, who made remarks supporting the Israeli offensive in Gaza.

    “Israel took revenge on Erdoğan's Davos walkout by hurting us,” Kaya pointed out. Kaya noted that when some people asked for permission to go to the restroom, Israeli troops deliberately made them wait for nearly 24 hours. “Despite the brutal treatment by the Israeli troops, everybody was determined not to back down. Our only regret is that the humanitarian aid could not reach Gaza.” Kaya called on the government to help them get the aid to its destination.

    Fatih Kavakdan, who was another peace activist badly injured as a result of the attack, is now undergoing treatment at Ankara's Atatürk Teaching and Research Hospital. It was revealed that Kavakdan had been tied to a bed by his feet by Israeli forces on the Mavi Marmara while injured.

    More than 500 activists who were brought to Turkey were examined on Thursday by 120 forensic medicine experts and their assistants.

    Yücel Velioğlu, a reporter from the Anatolia news agency who was on board the Mavi Marmara when it was raided, described the aftermath of the attack from outside the Forensic Medicine Institution in İstanbul on Thursday. Velioğlu said the most violence had occurred on their ship and that their hands had been tied by the Israeli commandos. Velioğlu also stated that when the ship was being towed to the Israeli port of Ashdod, they thought they wouldn't get back to Turkey alive because there were many supporters of Israel at the port. “My wife is pregnant. We couldn't contact our loved ones because Israel imposed a media blackout. We thought of our loved ones who we had left in Turkey rather than ourselves despite our brutal treatment,” said Velioğlu.

    Al-Jazeera television cameraman Andre Abu Khalil, who was also on the Mavi Marmara, said that after the initial Israeli assault on the vessel, four Israeli troops, suffering from “fracture wounds,” were held below deck by the activists. He said other commandos, trying to scale the ship, opened fire to break up a human chain of about 20 Turkish men, who were using slingshots, water hoses and metal pipes to try to hold off the boarding party.

    Abu Khalil said the line disintegrated after the troops shot one of the men in the neck and another in the head. In all, the cameraman counted 40 wounded passengers, many with bullet wounds to the legs, apparently to disable them. Others were shot in the eyes, stomach and chest. On the lower deck, Abu Khalil said, someone using a loudspeaker told the Israelis: “Your soldiers are fine, and they'll be released if you provide us with medical help for the wounded.” An Israeli-Arab legislator who participated in the flotilla acted as a mediator. She raised a white flag and wrote in Hebrew on a piece of cardboard, according to the cameraman.

    “Israel commandos had various types of handguns. I was shot. Two Israeli doctors tried to remove the bullets from my body with pincers. It was a kind of torture. My mind is in turmoil,” said Musa Çoğaş, one of the peace activists.

    Other activists Edda Manga, Mattias Gardell and Dror Feiler also described the aftermath of the commando attack. Around 15 ships belonging to Israel surrounded the Mavi Marmara to frighten the peace activists on board. They also added that Israeli forces deliberately shot two people in the forehead.
     

    Bisco

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    GAZA: Yet another ship, named after slain activist, attempts to break Israel blockade [Updated]
    June 4, 2010 | 1:12 am


    Another ship full of humanitarian aid -- this one named after an American activist killed by an Israeli bulldozer -- is sailing toward the Gaza Strip even as the furor over a deadly confrontation between Israeli soldiers and another group of activists has yet to subside.

    The Cambodian-flagged MV Rachel Corrie, named after the Evergreen State College student killed while protesting Palestinian house demolitions in the Gaza Strip, is carrying 11 passengers, including Nobel Peace Prize winner Mairead Corrigan, who was honored for pressing for peace between Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland, and former United Nations Assistant Secretary General Denis Halliday.

    Another activist aboard the Rachel Corrie said they would not fight back if confronted by Israelis.

    "If the Israeli army attacks us and tries to board our ship, we will not attempt any resistance," Shamsul Akmar told Al Jazeera International. "We will take our boat as far as possible and if they do come on board forcefully, we will not resist."

    Any confrontation between ship and Israeli forces could spread anger over the ongoing Israeli-Egyptian blockade of the Gaza Strip beyond the Arab world to Muslims worldwide.

    [Updated, 5:50 a.m., PDT: The latest dispatch from the organizers says the 1,200-ton cargo ship is 150 miles away from Gaza in international waters. "Communication is difficult and sometimes impossible and there are many rumors out there started by Israeli authorities," said a statement attributed to those on board. "But there is no way we are going to Ashdod," the Israeli port of entry for most humanitarian aid to Gaza. "We are, for sure, on our way to Gaza.”]

    The government of Malaysia, a rising Asian power home to a majority Muslim population of 28 million, has called on Israelis to exercise restraint.

    "Any Israeli military action on an unarmed vessel transporting civilians and humanitarian assistance will deepen the international community's negative perception of Israel," Foreign Minister Datuk Seri Anifah Aman said Thursday night, according to the news website Bernama. "It will demonstrate Israel's total indifference to its international obligations in defiance of world opinion. Every single item on board the vessel such as educational materials, toys and construction materials have been inspected in Ireland."

    The prime minister of Ireland, which opposes the blockade, has also warned Israelis to back off. Five Irish nationals are aboard the ship.

    “We are in constant contact with the Israeli government on this matter, advising absolute restraint in relation to the vessel as it goes about its humanitarian purpose," premier Brian Cowen was quoted as saying by the Irish Times. "Cement on board the vessel is not regarded by the Israelis as a product that is simply humanitarian. We await what emerges from the definition Israel has put forward."

    The ship is being funded by a non-profit group linked to former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad, according to a report by The Star of Malaysia.

    -- Borzou Daragahi in Beirut

    source: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/bab...ivist-sets-sail-to-break-israel-blockade.html
     

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