Israeli-Palestinian conflict (30 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

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king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
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You can't condemn the "attack" if it was a self-defense.

Naive much? Or talk about your own ignorance for really saying that. Do you know what a blockade means? Hear, listen to this, partly addresses the "no problems": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1pZG_zciMw
Na I'm just not too naive to hear only one side of the story and believe it when I'm only following it all by the media.

I don't quite understand what the video has to do with what I said I'm afraid.
 

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Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,505
You can't condemn the "attack" if it was a self-defense.



Na I'm just not too naive to hear only one side of the story and believe it when I'm only following it all by the media.

I don't quite understand what the video has to do with what I said I'm afraid.
Did you listen to it? You said the aid gets through so whats the problem, like the blockade is just some imaginary thing. Well parts of that clip addressed it in a very clear way.

Abnd what side am I missing exactly?
 

Roman

-'Tuz Fantasy Master-
Apr 19, 2003
10,778
Lies again.

Previous ships were taken to Ashdod, and the aid stuff were never delivered to Gaza. It was stolen by your people, "Shylocks".
No lies,facts.
i served in the army here,i live here,and i know what's going on.
the stuff wasn't stolen.

It is not when you are attacked even though I'm not saying this is the case now.



So if he shows you the same picture of an angry Danish mob you wouldn't take Israeli' side? Honestly I don't understand what it has to do with the way you, yourself, see the things.



Good post :tup:

I really don't want to justify what happened nor do I plan to condemn it. But you need to know things about BOTH sides of the story.

Israel's international image has already been spoiled (rightly so) due to the war crimes they commit in Gaza and as you said (and no one even noticed it either intentionally or out of ignorance) there were other aid ships which transmitted goods with no problem so I don't find any logic in attacking the ship this time. Yea I know, Israel don't need excuses to do whatever they want but attacking an aid ship would do harm to them by bringing uproar worldwide and causing an even worse image to the Zionists' image all over the world. Here I'm not necessarily saying that Israeli soldiers were attacked first but I find it stupid if the Israelis attacked the ship with no reason. Too stupid to be taken seriously without waiting for more information.
Thnx mate,good and logical thinking.that's the whole idea,every situation has 2 sides.
it's easy to pick one,but it's smarter to know both.
why ffs would the soldiers just come out and attack?!
no reason,they didn't do it.they reacted.
The ship could have landed,shown it's stuff and everything would be fine.

it's easier when you live here.to "live" in it everyday,and share both sides very often.

Yeah, what Roman posted is bullshit. The last time an aid ship went to Gaza, US Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney was arrested and deported for being on a ship carrying supplies to Gaza City.

But I'm sure she was supplying them weapons. :howler:

Bunch of Nazis. Cut these parasites loose.
Look at my answer to Rebel.
If you would have lived here Andy you wouldn't think so,but well i am not trying to convince anyone about anything.

just to show different point of view...
 

Roman

-'Tuz Fantasy Master-
Apr 19, 2003
10,778
Self defense from what??

Do you think Irish, Greek and Swedish people will carry grenades to Hamas?
Yeah, I'm sure those boats started to attack Israeli vessels.

Sometimes you fall for the same propaganda spin of Ahmadinijhad you despise.
If i'll find the video i'll show you from what.
you exactly see how a soldier coming to the ship,haven't touched anyone,no gun pointed at anyone,and still 6-7 guys jump on him and start hitting him,throwing him on the ground,throwing away from the ship.

that's from what.
 
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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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    No lies,facts.
    i served in the army here,i live here,and i know what's going on.
    the stuff wasn't stolen.


    Thnx mate,good and logical thinking.that's the whole idea,every situation has 2 sides.
    it's easy to pick one,but it's smarter to know both.
    why ffs would the soldiers just come out and attack?!
    no reason,they didn't do it.they reacted.
    The ship could have landed,shown it's stuff and everything would be fine.

    it's easier when you live here.to "live" in it everyday,and share both sides very often.



    Look at my answer to Rebel.
    If you would have lived here Andy you wouldn't think so,but well i am not trying to convince anyone about anything.

    just to show different point of view...
    If i'll find the video i'll show you from what.
    you exactly see how a soldier coming to the ship,haven't touched anyone,no gun pointed at anyone,and still 6-7 guys jump on him and start hitting him,throwing him on the ground,throwing away from the ship.

    that's from what.
    Just to save you so much time, remember that the ships were in international water. Those criminals you are calling soldiers had no reason to go to ships initially. They went just to kill and scare people and steal the ships and the goods. That is the brief story of Isreal. It is all about stealing and lying.
     

    Roman

    -'Tuz Fantasy Master-
    Apr 19, 2003
    10,778
    Just to save you so much time, remember that the ships were in international water. Those criminals you are calling soldiers had no reason to go to ships initially. They went just to kill and scare people and steal the ships and the goods. That is the brief story of Isreal. It is all about stealing and lying.
    Yeah YOU will tell me what country is about....:lol: .

    Okay Rebel you can think whatever you want.you're just wrong.
    but it's fine everyone has the right to think different and have own ideas.
    and everyone will stick with his...

    nevermind.done with it,better talk football.
    afterall that's the reason why we are here.

    Forza Juve!
     

    Alen

    Ѕenior Аdmin
    Apr 2, 2007
    54,025
    Just to save you so much time, remember that the ships were in international water.
    Good that you mentioned this.
    Does anybody know what's the standard procedure in these cases? If Israel wants to check what's on the ship, where do they do it? In some Israeli port or right after they get to Israeli water? Or maybe before they get into Israeli waters?
     
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    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
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    Yeah YOU will tell me what country is about....:lol: .

    Okay Rebel you can think whatever you want.you're just wrong.
    but it's fine everyone has the right to think different and have own ideas.
    and everyone will stick with his...

    nevermind.done with it,better talk football.
    afterall that's the reason why we are here.

    Forza Juve!
    Why don't you show the fabricated video to members here to convince them that it was a self-defense? :shifty:
     
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    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
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    Good that you mentioned this.
    Does anybody know what's the standard procedure in these cases? If Israel wants to check what's on the ship, where do they do it? In some Israeli port or right after they get to Israeli water? Or maybe before they get into Israeli waters?
    Can I ask also for a list of the countries that are allowed to check the ships and planes in their route to and from other countries.
     

    Roman

    -'Tuz Fantasy Master-
    Apr 19, 2003
    10,778
    Why don't you show the fabricated video to members here to convince them that it was a self-defense? :shifty:
    Fabricated?
    you just don't know me at all,so why talk this way?
    i would not lie and would not go make some movies to show who?few guys on the internet?
    i have better things to do in my life.
     

    JBF

    اختك يا زمن
    Aug 5, 2006
    18,451
    I don't wanna discuss Israel. It's just that I get pissed off when Palestine gets all this compassion for something that could have been avoided in the 1st place. If you didn't like the mouse and cobra metaphor, think of it as Balotelli diving in a Juve-Inter game and getting jeered at, and all of Italy starts pointing fingers at Juve tifosi and feeling pity for Balomerda, when he shouldn't have instigated something as big as the Juve ultras' anger in the 1st place... He might as well wear a "boo me" shirt and walk onto the pitch... Now he could label his dives as "trips" or "slipping" or whatever, but all of us, including Interistas, know he was diving...

    That's the way I see it.

    (Just thought I'd give this forum a homy feel with the Juve-Balo metaphor :p)
    Fuckin helarious really, you can't stand the sympathy regarding about 14-17 international activists losing their lives for the sake of helping a starving people living in un-human conditions where they can't work, eat, live nor breather without their life-long enemies approving that. Well that just speaks of itself doesn't it, you of all people should have heard of what means to be under not only occupation but a lengthy seige, after all you had your fair share of that or most probably your parents did, But still you should have at least pictured this better, or maybe Im just overrating your intellegence.

    Just to draw a close picture to your understanding, about 15 families just lost their sons, brothers, sisters,..etc. while those were supposed to be going for a peaceful glorious mission like thousands this world have witnessed. Instead their families are gonna recieve their coffens if they're even lucky to have those since the zionasts could claim those activists had surgeries to hide weapons in their bodies too.(not that they havent done it before)
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    What class Israel!

    Israelis don't give a shit about the US. We should let them perish.
    You gotta give him credit, he showed his real face (though in a private message) fast, others take longer much longer to do so.
    After a long reading here...

    IZ,it's okay if your angry,but the situation here(and i live here) is much more complicated than you can ever think of.trust me.
    And i'm not saying we're the victims or so,but in many situations that happened we didn't want to just come out and attack.

    Calling for Hitller and cursing Israel and jews aren't really smart man...
    you need to chill.

    Turk,you don't wanna war.you don't.neither do i.i think it's not the way to do things.

    Seven,agree with your thoughts here man.great posts.

    Oh,as for the ship,just to clarify:

    There were other "Aid ships" that came over in the past from other countries.
    they never had a problem,to leave the staff at Ashdod port and Israel delivered it to Gazza.
    This time,the case was different.
    the ships were asked,i repeat again asked,to bring the staff over,at Ashdod and Israel will bring it to Gazza(in case if it's really food and medicine staff),
    but the ship ignored and didn't want to stop,neither come to Ashdod!!

    what do they have to hide?!if it's only food and medicine.
    Btw,the soldiers,when were interviewed,told that "we didn't want to touch them,we wanted to check the ship out,and look that there is nothing wrong and it's really food."
    but when they attacked they had to responed.
    i don't know if you have seen the video,1 soldier standing alone,doing nothing,6-7 guys come and hit him...btw with knifes also.

    Again.we're not victims,but it's not so simple like many think here.
    It's not just Israel saw a ship and decided to attack it,i mean wtf,wake up already.
    Those ships you're talking about were inspected by the neutral countries' governments they were coming from, not that it would convince you or anything. But just a simple question I ask you, why the fuck would a special force of commandos have the task of "searching" the ship in the cover of darkness AND in international water. It's obvious, Assasination.

    ßüякε;2514640 said:
    Whoa whoa whoa, you don't hate Zionists, you hate Zionists who are for Israel being a state geographically where it is right now.

    I'm a Zionist, I'm just for a separate Jewish state in Antarctica where they can fight their true enemy, the Palestinguins.
    Just to get your facts straight, many zionists live abroad of Palestine actually and they do their beloved brothers much help while not only funding them but covering their asses most of the time in both the media and in respective parlements.

    That's pretty funny. Some of Israel's biggest enemies share those characteristics.
    Yea they do, but I've never heard of one of those barbarians getting away with mass murder and international theft. Have you?

    It is not when you are attacked even though I'm not saying this is the case now.



    So if he shows you the same picture of an angry Danish mob you wouldn't take Israeli' side? Honestly I don't understand what it has to do with the way you, yourself, see the things.



    Good post :tup:

    I really don't want to justify what happened nor do I plan to condemn it. But you need to know things about BOTH sides of the story.

    Israel's international image has already been spoiled (rightly so) due to the war crimes they commit in Gaza and as you said (and no one even noticed it either intentionally or out of ignorance) there were other aid ships which transmitted goods with no problem so I don't find any logic in attacking the ship this time. Yea I know, Israel don't need excuses to do whatever they want but attacking an aid ship would do harm to them by bringing uproar worldwide and causing an even worse image to the Zionists' image all over the world. Here I'm not necessarily saying that Israeli soldiers were attacked first but I find it stupid if the Israelis attacked the ship with no reason. Too stupid to be taken seriously without waiting for more information.
    Honestly, why the hell would you have a problem doing that? Is it that much of non clear picture Hoori? You're the one who always lectures about human rights, freedom and most importantly the right to live. All those were violated here what are you waiting for really? Or is it just backward-reaction since the all famous Najad is compassionate to Palestinians so you just opted to take the other side..
    This thread gives me the headache.
    Ofcourse it does. You can only read about death and starvation here, just think of people who live that day by day instead of reading it. You might need to raise your Panadol dose thinking of that.
    Just to save you so much time, remember that the ships were in international water. Those criminals you are calling soldiers had no reason to go to ships initially. They went just to kill and scare people and steal the ships and the goods. That is the brief story of Isreal. It is all about stealing and lying.
    Ra'ed Saleh is alive, have you heard?
     

    king Ale

    Senior Member
    Oct 28, 2004
    21,689
    Did you listen to it? You said the aid gets through so whats the problem, like the blockade is just some imaginary thing. Well parts of that clip addressed it in a very clear way.
    I said there were ships which transmitted goods facing no problem in the past. This was what I said. Why Israel would beg for more and more people loathing them all over the world by opening fire on aid ships with no reason is beyond me.

    Abnd what side am I missing exactly?
    The side almost everyone here is apparently missing.

    Self defense from what??

    Do you think Irish, Greek and Swedish people will carry grenades to Hamas?
    It doesn't need to be Irish, Greek and Swedish people carrying grenades to call it a self defense.

    Most of the information about what happened on the single ship where violence broke out came from Israel, which cut off all communication to and from the activists and provided testimony and video evidence that its soldiers came under attack by activists armed with metal rods, knives, slingshots and two pistols snatched from the troops.

    The military said naval commandos descending from a helicopter onto the deck of a Turkish-flagged ship were assaulted by armed activists. Military footage showed activists swarming around the commandos as they rappelled from a helicopter one by one, hitting them with sticks until they fell to the deck, throwing one off the ship and hurling what the military said was a firebomb.


    Not that I'm buying what they say but I see no point in attacking an aid ship with no reason on the other hand either.

    Yeah, I'm sure those boats started to attack Israeli vessels.

    Sometimes you fall for the same propaganda spin of Ahmadinijhad you despise.
    I'm living in Iran. That's the difference.

    And I didn't fall for anything. All I'm saying that this story has two sides. To know the truth you need to hear the other side too.
     

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