Israeli-Palestinian conflict (49 Viewers)

[JBF]

Respected Swedish professor in International Law, Ove Bring:

- If the reports are correct, this is against international law and is illegal.

- In times of peace, no country has the right to board ships on international waters nor the right to redirect them or arrest the passengers.

- If the ships were in Israeli territory, the IDF would have been allowed to stop them, send them away, escort them to a port or even searched them for weapons. Even then, they would have to be careful of military actions.

- However, if there had been a real war [which this conflict isn't classified as], Israel would have had the right to block ships heading towards Gaza, even in international waters.

Would that stop their compassionates now? HELL NO. It's Hamas's fault that it well, it exists.

 

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[JBF]

Only because you support Ahmadinejad because of him being compassionate [] to the Palestinians doesn't mean I'm doing the same in the other way.

aaaand you just avoided to explain yourself and the multiple questions I asked you in that quote by simply blaming me on supporting Najad. Great

 

[tibike]

Thanks.

This leads me to Tibike's post and the brain fart he mentioned. It was indeed an atypical action, which imo has two possible scenarios behind it:
- This was a very well planned action with an intention to provoke something big in the future (you can even call this a conspiracy theory)
- The Israeli were simply defending themselves (this is rather weak because they can't explain wtf were they doing on the ship at all).

Some can mention a third option, which is: They don't even care what anyone else thinks and they simply do as they please, knowing that no-one can do anything to them at all.
I find this hard to believe too. If those were Palestinians we're talking about, I'd expect the Israelis to do as they please with them, but this was an aid ship with a NATO member flag on it and without a good reason (even a false one) to excuse them in the eyes of the world, I don't think they'd have done it.

I think the Israelis boarded the ships, and if you look at the mental state of parties:

1) The crew was pissed at being searched in international waters, after being inspected in Turkey,
2) Israel has that constant paranoia, that everyone is out to get them,

And all that was needed was just a more severe insult, maybe a push, and people just went bananas. I wouldn't look for some grand conspiracy behind it.

That being said, Israel handled the situation poorly and should be punished accordingly.

 

[Alen]

I think the Israelis boarded the ships, and if you look at the mental state of parties:

1) The crew was pissed at being searched in international waters, after being inspected in Turkey,
2) Israel has that constant paranoia, that everyone is out to get them,

And all that was needed was just a more severe insult, maybe a push, and people just went bananas. I wouldn't look for some grand conspiracy behind it.

That being said, Israel handled the situation poorly and should be punished accordingly.

Possibly, but sending commandos on the ship was more than overreaction.

I really hope that your version is true

 

[king Ale]

aaaand you just avoided to explain yourself and the multiple questions I asked you in that quote by simply blaming me on supporting Najad. Great

I explained it many times in the last few pages. I actually explained it with the other part of the post you quoted too.

 

[king Ale]

I think the Israelis boarded the ships, and if you look at the mental state of parties:

1) The crew was pissed at being searched in international waters, after being inspected in Turkey,
2) Israel has that constant paranoia, that everyone is out to get them,

And all that was needed was just a more severe insult, maybe a push, and people just went bananas. I wouldn't look for some grand conspiracy behind it.

That being said, Israel handled the situation poorly and should be punished accordingly.

You make much more sense when you are not talking about football

 

[tibike]

Possibly, but sending commandos on the ship was more than overreaction.

I really hope that your version is true

Israel does have a history of "overreactions", so I'm not really surprised.

 

[Bjerknes]

As if building segregation walls like concentration camps against international law is enough of a reaction for some folks.

But it happens. And it will continue to happen.

 

[JBF]

I explained it many times in the last few pages. I actually explained it with the other part of the post you quoted too.

I honestly can't find an explanation there, please be kind and quote it for me.

 

[tibike]

As if building segregation walls like concentration camps against international law is enough of a reaction for some folks.

But it happens. And it will continue to happen.

Reminds me of this:

 

[Roman]

Yea, those zionists have always proved they were innocent even when a jew south african judge took over the Gaza war-crimes investigation, they called him anti-semitic in the press

Well you certainly gave it a shot at first with that lengthy post, why bother from the first place then?

You have a mistake there,2 different things:
1.I said i have better things to do than trying to convince anyone here with anything.
after i was told that i would fabricate a video,lol,the guy don't even know me.
just disrespect.
2.As for my post,wanted to share a different point of view/opinion,call it as you want.
that's all,no insult to anyone,and sure not trying to convince anyone.
weren't calling names/nazis and whatever...
i come here to discuss only.mostly about Juve btw,not politics.

 

[JBF]

You have a mistake there,2 different things:
1.I said i have better things to do than trying to convince anyone here with anything.
after i was told that i would fabricate a video,lol,the guy don't even know me.
just disrespect.
2.As for my post,wanted to share a different point of view/opinion,call it as you want.
that's all,no insult to anyone,and sure not trying to convince anyone.
weren't calling names/nazis and whatever...
i come here to discuss only.mostly about Juve btw,not politics.

So you just came here to share that lengthy post of your thoughts then leave without expecting nor bothering to debate them, then you come out saying that Rebel is the one who'll always stick to his thoughts and never change them

Feel free to discuss whatever you want man, just try to accept others' view of things maybe just maybe you'll be convinced to at at least let go of some mistaken ideas/thoughts you have. Unless you think you're always right, then well, its just pointless.

 

[Azzurri7]

Israeli propaganda is far more effective, because it isn't so blunt. I know you're a reasonable guy, but pictures like that make people choose Israel's side.

Sometimes when you try to act smarter you fail.

This ignorant post of yours is an example.

 

[Bjerknes]

Seven is a smart guy, but that whole argument goes to show he has an agenda in all this. He's just nit-picking for the sake of it.

 

[Roman]

So you just came here to share that lengthy post of your thoughts then leave without expecting nor bothering to debate them, then you come out saying that Rebel is the one who'll always stick to his thoughts and never change them

Feel free to discuss whatever you want man, just try to accept others' view of things maybe just maybe you'll be convinced to at at least let go of some mistaken ideas/thoughts you have. Unless you think you're always right, then well, its just pointless.

Yeah,just shared my point of view,a guy who lives here and not only watching tv.Didn't try to convince anyone,had a little talk and that's it.

And i'm gladly accepting that other share and have different point of views,that's fine,and that's the way it supposed to be,no problem.
you chose what you think is right what is not,same i do.
the same as if you think i'm wrong,i can say you're wrong...completly fine.

So i guess we're cool on it.
'Night man.

 

[Bozi]

There are reports that 3 Albanians, 2 from Kosovo and 1 from Macedonia were killed during that attack.

whats the punchline?

 

[Seven]

Sometimes when you try to act smarter you fail.

This ignorant post of yours is an example.

At some point in time you will realise what exactly I meant by that post. Probably won't be tomorrow though.

Seven is a smart guy, but that whole argument goes to show he has an agenda in all this. He's just nit-picking for the sake of it.

At first it was wrong, now it is nitpicking. Seems like you did understand my point, Andy. I don't really have an agenda though. If anything my agenda here would be anti-Israel as all I did was make a suggestion as to how he should convince people.

And it's not nitpicking. The world needs convincing. It's the only thing you can do, so you should do it well.

 

[Bjerknes]

At some point in time you will realise what exactly I meant by that post. Probably won't be tomorrow though.



At first it was wrong, now it is nitpicking. Seems like you did understand my point, Andy. I don't really have an agenda though. If anything my agenda here would be anti-Israel as all I did was make a suggestion as to how he should convince people.

And it's not nitpicking. The world needs convincing. It's the only thing you can do, so you should do it well.

I understand your point, but it is nonsense. No rational person would post such pictures and think that they can sway world views just because a few random folks are holding a flag. You are selling Rebel's brain short, and probably undeservedly.

 

[JBF]

At some point in time you will realise what exactly I meant by that post. Probably won't be tomorrow though.



At first it was wrong, now it is nitpicking. Seems like you did understand my point, Andy. I don't really have an agenda though. If anything my agenda here would be anti-Israel as all I did was make a suggestion as to how he should convince people.

And it's not nitpicking. The world needs convincing. It's the only thing you can do, so you should do it well.

Then look for some of those pics that you think would make the Palestinian cause look the way it should. I for one would be more than happy to have a look at what you're talking about.

 

[Seven]

Then look for some of those pics that you think would make the Palestinian cause look the way it should. I for one would be more than happy to have a look at what you're talking about.

In this particular case there are no pictures available unfortunately. The ones I've seen about the incident are obscure at best and pictures of social gatherings afterwards are just plain stupid.

I understand your point, but it is nonsense. No rational person would post such pictures and think that they can sway world views just because a few random folks are holding a flag. You are selling Rebel's brain short, and probably undeservedly.

Then don't post them. They add nothing to the discussion. It's more like feeling sorry for yourself. It's just stupid. What he was actually trying to say with those pictures was: the world is angry. But it's not the world he showed, he showed countries where they were already angry with Israel. That's why I think they're useless.