Israeli-Palestinian conflict (55 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

  • Yes

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Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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What do you mean the sunni's and the shia's? They are religious groups, they dont want their own countries. Sunni's are in the billion, while Shia's are more in the millions.
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
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Dec 16, 2003
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more crack, from more members who only argue because they have nothing better to do with their lives. So we should all accept the jews living in occupied ILLEGALLY acquired land just becuase it's a fait accompli? I would like to see that arguemtn pass in any court in the world: sorry if i kicked you out of your house but i have been here for so long i grew fond of it and i dont quite know where to go now...BULLSHIT
And the judge will be like "hey, you can share the bathroom, but the kitchen and living room and 75% of the bed room is for X while Y gets only to stay in the storage room.

And who knows, they might also loose their storage room someday.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,511
ßüякε;1872961 said:
me too


But Jews aren't a religious group?
They are both, ethnic group and religious. Muslims, as in shia's and sunnis are only religious groups, and nothing else.

You know this, why even ask? Shia-sunni conflicts in some countries are based on a vicious cycle of sunni's oppressing shia's in that certain country, and shia's generations later taking revenge when they get the upper hand (like they have now in Iraq), hence a vicious cycle dating back 1500 years. Nothing to do with claim of land or wanting their own country or what not.

Kurds are a good example of an ethnic group of people wanting their own land. Two sub groups of the same religion, isnt.
 
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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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    The moral question is who suffers more. The guy who has to leave his house and relocate to the other side of the country. Or a guy who lives in a disease ridden refugee camp, has to endure hunger and misery all his life.
    Do you hint that Israel made two options to Palestinians but the Palestinians refused? And if that happened, look at this example and give me your answer:

    Two people from one nation are living peacefully, each one on his own land, Let's assume they are X & Y. Now, Z who comes from the outer space wants to take X land and force him to live as a refugee in Y land. Why would X and Y be satisfied with that? To the good of humanity? Fuck humanity.

    ßüякε;1872981 said:
    Okay, so then why are there Muslim nations? And should there be a Basque or Catalan Nations?
    Why not?
     

    CheSchifo!

    Senior Member
    Jan 11, 2009
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    So on what merits does a people get its own state. The merits of war, "our grandparents gave their lives"? So it's a contest for who can kill the most people? Is that the conclusion?

    In other words if the Kurds had killed tons of people we'd all agree the time has come to grant them territory?
    In international law there has been a recent tendency to allow people to have their own land if crimes against humanity are committed on a consistent basis against them. That's an argument the Palestinians should focus on. The we were here first thing won't work.
     

    Martin

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    Dec 31, 2000
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    Do you hint that Israel made two options to Palestinians but the Palestinians refused? And if that happened, look at this example and give me your answer:

    Two people from one nation are living peacefully, each one on his own land, Let's assume they are X & Y. Now, Z who comes from the outer space wants to take X land and force him to live as a refugee in Y land. Why would X and Y be satisfied with that? To the good of humanity? Fuck humanity.



    Why not?
    No. And thus I don't follow your thought experiment.
     

    CheSchifo!

    Senior Member
    Jan 11, 2009
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    Do you hint that Israel made two options to Palestinians but the Palestinians refused? And if that happened, look at this example and give me your answer:

    Two people from one nation are living peacefully, each one on his own land, Let's assume they are X & Y. Now, Z who comes from the outer space wants to take X land and force him to live as a refugee in Y land. Why would X and Y be satisfied with that? To the good of humanity? Fuck humanity.



    Why not?
    Napoli, like almost all cities in Southern Italy, was founded by the Greek. Would you find it just if they came back to Italy and claimed the land?
     

    CheSchifo!

    Senior Member
    Jan 11, 2009
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    ßüякε;1872981 said:
    Okay, so then why are there Muslim nations? And should there be a Basque or Catalan Nations?
    It's not the same thing, Burke. Muslims aren't a people, they follow a religion. Catalans and Basques on the other hand are an ethnic group.

    I take it you're okay with the existence of muslim nations, ReBeL? Because, as you are well aware, that in itself is a blatant violation of human rights. Funny, you piss on human rights all the time, but now that Israel violates them they're suddenly important?
     
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    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
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    Napoli, like almost all cities in Southern Italy, was founded by the Greek. Would you find it just if they came back to Italy and claimed the land?
    You didn't answer my question.

    It's not the same thing, Burke. Muslims aren't a people, they follow a religion. Catalans and Basques on the other hand are an ethnic group.

    I take it you're okay with the existence of muslim nations, ReBeL? Because, as you are well aware, that in itself is a blatant violation of human rights. Funny, you piss on human rights all the time, but now that Israel violates them they're suddenly important?
    There is nothing called Muslim nations. There are Arabs, Kurds, Turks, Afghans, Persians, Malawyans, etc. But you don't have any knowledge about Islam yet you try to repeat attacking it time after time.

    Again, I have to tell you I'm not here to argue with you about Islam. Neither I'm a good Muslim to defend Islam nor you have the right to attack Islam.
     

    Ahmed

    Principino
    Sep 3, 2006
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    In international law there has been a recent tendency to allow people to have their own land if crimes against humanity are committed on a consistent basis against them. That's an argument the Palestinians should focus on. The we were here first thing won't work.
    that would be great except some countries are fully aware of international law but still act above it with zero accountability
     

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