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Roverbhoy

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++ [ originally posted by Alex ] ++
Thank you ;)
Your welcome:D


Hey look...I'm up to 500 posts.....only 15000 to go Martin and then you'll be in trouble:cool:


Other things Drosnin found...in Genesis...Hussein, Scuds, Russian Missile, all encoded together. In chapter 14 he found the date 3d Shevat...date in Hebrew calendar equivalent to January 18 1991...the day Iraq launched the first Scud missle against Isreal (this book was written in the mid 90's and these were the topical things of the day...hence the emphasis on Iraq War/Gulf War 1)

It also found such things as Clinton overlapping President, Watergate appears with Nixon; Great Depression encoded with Economic collapse and depression and stocks and the year 1929 (5690)

Man on moon appears with starship and Apollo 11... blah blah blah

It goes on and on...make of it as you will


Ultimately, The Torra, Bibble and Quran, together with all other religious scriptures, are venerable religious works to those with faith ... maybe best to just enjoy their teachings without looking between the lines too much:angel:

Otherwise there true meaning may be overlooked:cool:
 

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++ [ originally posted by Roverbhoy ] ++
Ultimately, The Torra, Bibble and Quran, together with all other religious scriptures, are venerable religious works to those with faith ... maybe best to just enjoy their teachings without looking between the lines too much:angel:
My feeling exactly :)
 

Henry

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Your welcome:D


Hey look...I'm up to 500 posts.....only 15000 to go Martin and then you'll be in trouble:cool:


Other things Drosnin found...in Genesis...Hussein, Scuds, Russian Missile, all encoded together. In chapter 14 he found the date 3d Shevat...date in Hebrew calendar equivalent to January 18 1991...the day Iraq launched the first Scud missle against Isreal (this book was written in the mid 90's and these were the topical things of the day...hence the emphasis on Iraq War/Gulf War 1)

It also found such things as Clinton overlapping President, Watergate appears with Nixon; Great Depression encoded with Economic collapse and depression and stocks and the year 1929 (5690)

Man on moon appears with starship and Apollo 11... blah blah blah

It goes on and on...make of it as you will


Ultimately, The Torra, Bibble and Quran, together with all other religious scriptures, are venerable religious works to those with faith ... maybe best to just enjoy their teachings without looking between the lines too much:angel:

Otherwise there true meaning may be overlooked:cool:

very true!
 
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    It wasnt codes, its not like it said that metal will go to the moon, meaning people will go to the moon on spaceships.

    And its not easy to write all these opposite words at the same number of times, and still have the same high literal value. If a uman wrote it he will write any crap to balance the number of opposites.
    And remember Quran wasnt sent down gradyaly few verses per day, so he couldnt have done that, and Muhammed (PBUH) was an illeterate man
     

    Majed

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    ++ [ originally posted by Roverbhoy ] ++


    Bold statement...to substantiate this you would have to have read every piece of poetry in existance...and even then it would still only be a subjective opinion. Of course you may be saying this as your faith believes it to be the Word of God, and so cannot be bettered by human hand. If so, then no argument or debate could change your mind and any further discussion would be pointless.
    Good Point :) ....it's completely logical to think that :).
    The Quran's presice Arabic wording makes it so amazing as there's no ombiguity. i can' explain it any futher.

    I'm really happy about how there's so much respect here specially on touchy subjects. :thumb:
    this is how all humans/nations should interact! :D
     

    Layce Erayce

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    It wasnt codes, its not like it said that metal will go to the moon, meaning people will go to the moon on spaceships.

    And its not easy to write all these opposite words at the same number of times, and still have the same high literal value. If a uman wrote it he will write any crap to balance the number of opposites.
    And remember Quran wasnt sent down gradyaly few verses per day, so he couldnt have done that, and Muhammed (PBUH) was an illeterate man
    He's talking about the Bible I think, ebraheej.

    I read the Bible Code. I found it very interesting. I also read several anti-Bible Code sources. Supposedly, such codes have also been found in "War and Peace".
     

    Majed

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    Hmmm... but the Egyptians could have told you that themselves, not just Allah.
    Their civilization was over way before Islam by the Romans. So, if any knowledge was passed it would have passed to the Empire of Rome and it would have become common knowledge. The Arabian Paninsula (Where the Mohammed PBUH was born) only had Nomads who were illiturate.

    The Egyptians weren't Arab. :)


    btw, why are there different spellings, Koran/Q'uran?
    Doesn't matter really. It starts with the Arabic letter ق , which has no equavalent in the English Language. The closest letter to it is a K, or a Q. we Use the Q most often because it's kinda heavier. :)

    ............

    ++ [ originally posted by Roverbhoy ] ++


    Have you read Micheal Drosnin's "The Bible Code"?
    nope, but i'll check it out...thanks :)
     

    gray

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    ++ [ originally posted by Roverbhoy ] ++
    Other things Drosnin found...in Genesis...Hussein, Scuds, Russian Missile, all encoded together. In chapter 14 he found the date 3d Shevat...date in Hebrew calendar equivalent to January 18 1991...the day Iraq launched the first Scud missle against Isreal (this book was written in the mid 90's and these were the topical things of the day...hence the emphasis on Iraq War/Gulf War 1)

    It also found such things as Clinton overlapping President, Watergate appears with Nixon; Great Depression encoded with Economic collapse and depression and stocks and the year 1929 (5690)

    Man on moon appears with starship and Apollo 11... blah blah blah
    I read something like this too, I found it very interesting, but didn't bother looking too far into it. The Bible is good enough for me at face value, I don't need it to be clairvoyant to appreciate it :)

    ++ [ originally posted by ebraheej ] ++
    And remember Quran wasnt sent down gradyaly few verses per day, so he couldnt have done that, and Muhammed (PBUH) was an illeterate man
    wouldn't it be easier to keep count of the numbers if he wrote them little by little? :p

    No disrespect intended, i'm speaking in terms of practicality
     
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    Ok more wonders........or let me call the coincidences as you say.


    In the Qur'an, which was revealed 14 centuries ago at a time when the science of astronomy was still primitive, the expansion of the universe was described like this:
    "And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it." (The Qur'an, 51:47) The word "heaven", as stated in this verse, is used in various places in the Qur'an with the meaning of space and universe. Here again, the word is used with this meaning. In other words, in the Qur'an it is revealed that the universe "expands". And this is the very conclusion that science has reached today.
    Until the dawn of the 20th century, the only view prevailing in the world of science was that "the universe has a constant nature and it has existed since infinite time". The research, observations, and calculations carried out by means of modern technology, however, have revealed that the universe in fact had a beginning, and that it constantly "expands".
    At the beginning of the 20th century, the Russian physicist Alexander Friedmann and the Belgian cosmologist Georges Lemaitre theoretically calculated that the universe is in constant motion and that it is expanding.
    This fact was proved also by observational data in 1929. While observing the sky with a telescope, Edwin Hubble, the American astronomer, discovered that the stars and galaxies were constantly moving away from each other. A universe where everything constantly moves away from everything else implied a constantly expanding universe. The observations carried out in the following years verified that the universe is constantly expanding. This fact was explained in the Qur'an when that was still unknown to anyone. This is because the Qur'an is the word of God, the Creator, and the Ruler of the entire universe.
     
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    And

    The Qur'an draws attention to a very important geological function of mountains.
    "We placed firmly embedded mountains on the earth, so it would not move under them…" (The Qur'an, 21:31)
    As we have noticed, it is stated in the verse that mountains have the function of preventing shocks in the Earth.
    This fact was not known by anyone at the time the Qur'an was revealed. It was in fact brought to light only recently as a result of the findings of modern geology.
    According to these findings, mountains emerge as a result of the movements and collisions of massive plates forming the Earth's crust. When two plates collide, the stronger one slides under the other, the one on the top bends and forms heights and mountains. The layer beneath proceeds under the ground and makes a deep extension downward. That means that mountains have a portion stretching downwards, as large as their visible parts on the Earth.
    In a scientific text, the structure of mountains is described as follows:
    Where continents are thicker, as in mountain ranges, the crust sinks deeper into the mantle. (General Science, Carolyn Sheets, Robert Gardner, Samuel F. Howe; Allyn and Bacon Inc. Newton, Massachusetts, 1985, s. 305)
    In a verse, this role of the mountains is pointed out by a comparison with "pegs":
    "Have We not made the earth as a bed and the mountains its pegs?" (The Qur'an, 78:6-7)
    Mountains, in other words, clench the plates in the Earth's crust together by extending above and beneath the Earth's surface at the conjunction points of these plates. In this way, they fix the Earth's crust, and prevent it from drifting over the magma stratum or among its plates. Briefly, we may liken mountains to nails that keep pieces of wood together.
    This fixing function of the mountains is described in scientific literature by the term "isostasy". Isostasy means the following:
    Isostasy: general equilibrium in the Earth's crust maintained by a yielding flow of rock material beneath the surface under gravitational stress. (Webster's New Twentieth Century Dictionary, 2. edition "Isostasy", New York, s. 975)
    This vital role of mountains, that was discovered by modern geology and seismic research, was revealed in the Qur'an centuries ago as an example of the supreme wisdom in God's creation.
    "We placed firmly embedded mountains on the earth, so it would not move under them..." (The Qur'an, 21:31)
     
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    And.....


    One of the properties of seas that has only recently been discovered is related in a verse of the Qur'an as follows:
    "He has let loose the two seas, converging together, with a barrier between them they do not break through." (The Qur'an, 55:19-20)
    This property of the seas, that they come together yet do not mingle with one another at all, has only very recently been discovered by oceanographers. Because of the physical force called "surface tension", the waters of neighboring seas do not mix. Caused by the difference in the density of their waters, surface tension prevents them from mingling with one another, just as if a thin wall were between them. (Davis, Richard A., Jr. 1972, Principles of Oceanography, Don Mills, Ontario, Addison-Wesley Publishing, s. 92-93.)
    The interesting side to this is that during a period when people had no knowledge of physics, surface tension, or oceanography; this was revealed in the Qur'an.
     
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    And...


    "Or (the unbelievers' state) are like the darkness of a fathomless sea which is covered by waves above which are waves above which are clouds, layers of darkness, one upon the other. If he puts out his hand, he can scarcely see it. Those God gives no light to, they have no light." (The Qur'an, 24:40)

    The general environment in deep seas is described in the book named Oceans:
    The darkness in deep seas and oceans is found around a depth of 200 meters and below. At this depth, there is almost no light. Below a depth of 1000 meters there is no light at all. (Elder, Danny; and John Pernetta, 1991, Oceans, London, Mitchell Beazley Publishers, s. 27)
    Today, we know about the general structure of the sea, the characteristics of the living things in it, its salinity, as well as the amount of water it contains, its surface area and depth. Submarines and special equipment, developed with modern technology, enable scientists to obtain this information.
    Human beings are not able to dive more than 40 meters down without the aid of special equipment. They cannot survive unaided in the deep, dark parts of the oceans, such as at a depth of 200 meters. For these reasons, scientists have only recently been able to discover these detailed pieces of information about seas. However, the statement of "darkness in a deep sea" was used in Sura Nur 1,400 years ago. It is certainly one of the miracles of the Qur'an that such information was given at a time where no equipment to enable man to dive into the depths of the oceans was available.
    In addition, the statement in verse 40 of Sura Nur "…like the darkness of a fathomless sea which is covered by waves above which are waves above which are clouds…" draws our attention to another miracle of the Qur'an.
    Scientists have recently discovered that there are internal waves, which "occur on density interfaces between layers of different densities." These internal waves cover the deep waters of seas and oceans because deep water has a higher density than the water above it. Internal waves act like surface waves. They can break, just like surface waves. Internal waves cannot be seen by the human eye, but they can be detected by studying temperature or salinity changes at a given location. (Gross, M. Grant; 1993, Oceanography, a View of Earth, 6. edition, Englewood Cliffs, Prentice-Hall Inc., s. 205)
    The statements in the Qur'an run absolutely parallel to the above explanation. Without research, one can only see the waves on the surface of the sea. It is impossible for one to know about the internal waves beneath the sea. Yet, in Sura Nur, God draws our attention to another type of wave that occurs in the depths of the oceans. Certainly, this fact, which scientists has discovered very recently, shows once again that the Qur'an is the word of God.
     
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    And...


    Iron is one of the elements highlighted in the Qur'an. In Sura Hadid, meaning Iron, we are informed:
    "…And We sent down iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind...." (The Qur'an, 57:25)
    The word "sent down," particularly used for iron in the verse, could be thought of having a metaphorical meaning to explain that iron has been given to benefit people. But when we take into consideration the literal meaning of the word, which is, "being physically sent down from the sky", we realize that this verse implies a very significant scientific miracle.
    This is because modern astronomical findings have disclosed that the iron found in our world has come from the giant stars in outer space.
    The heavy metals in the universe are produced in the nuclei of big stars. Our solar system, however, does not possess a suitable structure for producing iron on its own. Iron can only be produced in much bigger stars than the Sun, where the temperature reaches a few hundred million degrees. When the amount of iron exceeds a certain level in a star, the star can no longer accommodate it, and eventually it explodes in what is called a "nova" or a "supernova". As a result of this explosion, meteors containing iron are scattered around the universe, and they move through the void until attracted by the gravitational force of a celestial body.
    All this shows that iron did not form on the Earth, but was carried from exploding stars in space via meteors, and was "sent down to earth", in exactly the same way as stated in the verse: It is clear that this fact could not have been scientifically known in the 7th century, when the Qur'an was revealed.
     
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    And.....


    While it is stated in the Qur'an that it is easy for God to bring man back to life after death, peoples' fingerprints are particularly emphasized:
    "Yes, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers." (The Qur'an, 75:3-4) The emphasis on fingerprints has a very special meaning. This is because everyone's fingerprint is unique to himself. Every person who is alive or who has ever lived in this world has a set of unique fingerprints.
    That is why fingerprints are accepted as a very important proof of identity, exclusive to their owner, and are used for this purpose around the world.
    But what is important is that this feature of fingerprints was only discovered in the late 19th century. Before then, people regarded fingerprints as ordinary curves without any specific importance or meaning. However in the Qur'an, God points to the fingertips, which did not attract anyone's attention at that time, and calls our attention to their importance-an importance that was only finally understood in our day.
     
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    And.....


    Until fairly recently, it was thought that a baby's sex was determined by the mother's cells. Or at least, it was believed that the sex was determined by the male and female cells together. But we are given different information in the Qur'an, where it is stated that masculinity or femininity is created out of "a drop of sperm which has been ejected".
    "He has created both sexes, male and female from a drop of semen which has been ejected." (The Qur'an, 53:45-46) The developing disciplines of genetics and molecular biology have scientifically validated the accuracy of this information given by the Qur'an. It is now understood that sex is determined by the sperm cells from the male, and that the female has no role in this process.
    Chromosomes are the main elements in determining sex. Two of the 46 chromosomes that determine the structure of a human being are identified as the sex chromosomes. These two chromosomes are called "XY" in males, and "XX" in females, because the shapes of the chromosomes resemble these letters. The Y chromosome carries the genes that code for masculinity, while the X chromosome carries the genes that code for femininity.
    The formation of a new human being begins with the cross combination of one of these chromosomes, which exist in males and females in pairs. In females, both components of the sex cell, which divides into two during ovulation, carry X chromosomes. The sex cell of a male, on the other hand, produces two different kinds of sperm, one that contains X chromosomes and the other Y chromosomes. If an X chromosome from the female unites with a sperm that contains an X chromosome, then the baby is female. If it unites with the sperm that contains a Y chromosome, the baby is male.
    In other words, a baby's sex is determined by which chromosome from the male unites with the female's ovum.
    None of this was known until the discovery of genetics in the 20th century. Indeed, in many cultures, it was believed that a baby's sex was determined by the female's body. That was why women were blamed when they gave birth to girls.
    Thirteen centuries before human genes were discovered, however, the Qur'an revealed information that denies this superstition, and referred to the origin of sex lying not with women, but with the semen coming from men.
     
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    Please read the whole thing...


    Another astonishing piece of revelation that the Qur'an gives about the future is to be found in the first verses of Sura Rum, which refers to the Byzantine Empire, the eastern part of the later Roman Empire. In these verses, it is stated that the Byzantine Empire had met with a great defeat, but that it would soon gain victory.
    "Elif, Lam, Mim. The Romans have been defeated in the lowest land, but after their defeat they will themselves be victorious in a few years' time. The affair is God's from beginning to end." (The Qur'an, 30:1-4) These verses were revealed around 620 AD, almost seven years after the severe defeat of Christian Byzantium at the hands of the idolater Persians. Yet it was related in the verses that Byzantium would shortly be victorious. In fact, Byzantium had then suffered such heavy losses that it seemed impossible for it even to survive, let alone be victorious again. Not only the Persians, but also Avars, Slavs and Lombards posed serious threats to the Byzantine Empire. The Avars had reached as far as the walls of Constantinople. The Byzantine Emperor Heraclius had ordered the gold and silver in churches to be melted and turned into money in order to meet the expenses of the army. When these proved insufficient, even bronze statues were melted down to be turned into money. Many governors had revolted against Emperor Heraclius, and the empire was on the point of collapse. Mesopotamia, Cilicia, Syria, Palestine, Egypt and Armenia, which had earlier belonged to Byzantium, were invaded by the idolater Persians.(Warren Treadgold, A History of the Byzantine State and Society, Stanford University Press, 1997, s. 287-299.)
    In short, everyone was expecting the Byzantine Empire to be destroyed. But right at that moment, the first verses of Sura Rum were revealed, announcing that Byzantium would triumph in a few years' time. This victory seemed so impossible that Arab polytheists had gone so far as to make fun of these verses. They thought that the victory announced in the Qur'an would never come true.
    Around seven years after the revelation of the first verses of Sura Rum, in December 627 AD, a decisive battle between Byzantium and the Persian Empire was fought at Nineveh. And this time the Byzantine army unexpectedly defeated the Persians. A few months later, the Persians had to make an agreement with Byzantium, which obliged them to return the territories they had taken from it. (Warren Treadgold, A History of the Byzantine State and Society, Stanford University Press, 1997, s. 287-299.)
    At the end, "the victory of the Romans," proclaimed by God in the Qur'an, miraculously came true.
    Another miracle revealed in these verses is the announcement of a geographical fact that could not have been known by anyone at that time.
    In the third verse of Sura Rum, we are informed that the Romans had been defeated in the lowest region of the Earth. This expression, "Adna al Ard" in Arabic, is interpreted as "a nearby place" in many translations. Yet this is not the literal meaning of the original statement, but rather a figurative interpretation of it. The word "Adna" in Arabic is derived from the word "deni", which means "low" and "ard", which means "world". Therefore the expression "Adna al Ard" means "the lowest place on the Earth".
    Most interestingly, the crucial stages of the war fought between the Byzantine Empire and the Persians, when the Byzantines were defeated and lost Jerusalem, had really taken place at the lowest point on earth. This specified region is the Dead Sea basin, which is situated at the intersection point of the lands belonging to Syria, Palestine, and Jordan. The "Dead Sea", lying 395 meters below sea level, really is the lowest region on Earth.
    This means that the Byzantines were defeated at the lowest part of the world, just as stated in the verse.
    The most interesting point lies in the fact that the altitude of the Dead Sea could only be measured with modern measurement techniques. Before that, it was impossible for anyone to know that it was the lowest region on the surface of the Earth. Yet, this region was stated to be the lowest point on the Earth in the Qur'an. Hence, this provides further evidence that the Qur'an is divine revelation.
     
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    This was taken from www.miraclesofthequran.com

    Is it still coincidense, Did this illiterate man know all these things 1400 years ago. There are much more believe me more amazing facts, I will post them later.
    You may not believe this and dont care, but I know deep inside the feeling is differant...

    Please Reply.
     

    Roverbhoy

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    Ok more wonders........or let me call the coincidences as you say.


    "And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it." (The Qur'an, 51:47)

    Forgive me for this ebraheej, but I can interperate many different permutations for the meaning of this.

    I don't know the context from which this quote has been taken but
    "Expanding" the universe does not necessarily have to mean physically.
    It could easily mean intellectually.....expanding the knowledge and temporal health of humanity...why does it have to mean physically?


    This quote, just as the quatranes of Nostradamus, or even the horoscopes in the daily papers, could be easily manipulated into fitting a plethora of situations.


    If you give a serious piece of poetry to ten students and ask them to prepare a paper on their interperation of it's meaning I'm pretty sure you would end up with ten different reports.

    I wouldn't offer quotes such as these as evidence of the divine inspiration behind Holy works of any religion.

    I have read the other posts you have listed, and each has many possible alternatives.

    They may indeed mean what you say, but it isn't convincing to me I'm afraid.


    I would treat them as wonders if the quote said openly that the universe is expanding phsyically and that earth is round, it rotates the sun, which in turn rotates the centre of our galaxy , which in turn...blah blah and it's all moving away from each other ( which incidently isn't the case) you get what I mean I'm sure.

    The same goes with horoscopes, Nostradamus...any other prediction, including the Bible Code.

    I am however happy that you believe, and I envy you:D
     

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