Is it coincidence?? (1 Viewer)

[ebraheej]

Thank you roverboy for replying.

First I see the verse you have given me is very easy to interperate, its straight forward. I dont know how would you interpret it otherwise.

 

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[Roverbhoy]

Hi ebraheej, how you doing?

Firstly, as I stated, I'm not sure of the context that this quote comes from.

"And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it." (The Qur'an, 51:47)

Could you answer these things for me please as I'm not sure of some of the details here:-

Who are "We" and in what way did they construct the universe?

And why does steadily expanding the universe have to mean that it's size is expanding?

If I said I was expanding my brain by reading books, would this mean that my head would soon be too small to contain it? Obviously not. It would be a simple metaphor used for attempting to increase my knowledge.

When John Dunne wrote:-

No man is an Island, entire of it self;any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.

He didn't mean a man is an island like Majorca, or that someone dying causes part of his body to fall of...these are metaphors intended to express emotion by comparing feelings with easily interperated occurances for comparason purposes


That is the true beuty of poetry, that form of writing which is unique for capturing the spirit of love or any or all other powerful human emotions

 

[ebraheej]

-We is meant to be allah (god).
-Because thats what it says, what else would it mean? All the scholars have agreed that this is what is meant. The general meaning of this verse is that god is great and he have created everything and made everything the way it is now, so its only logical for it to mean that the universe is expanding.

BTW how would you interpret it.

 

[ebraheej]

And I dont see a metaphor on this verse?

 

[Roverbhoy]

Let me ask you a question:-

Before it was discovered that the universe was (in part) expanding, what did the scholars believe this quote to mean?

Forgive me for also making this satement....because your scholars say it is so does not mean that it is. (Obviously as I'm not from your faith this would be the case, and is not intended as an attack on Islam in any way)


And until I know the context of the quote it would be unfair to ask me what it means. I could make a fool of myself again as I normally do:dontcare:

 

[Roverbhoy]

++ [ originally posted by ebraheej ] ++
And I dont see a metaphor on this verse?

Again, this would be subjective. I'm pretty positive others could see it that way, although they may not be of your faith.

But hey, live and let live....I'm glad you have belief in God. I simply don't, but wish I had:frown:

 

[ebraheej]

I am not sure actually...........
What I meant is how will you interpret it. What did you understand.(honestly)

 

[Roverbhoy]

++ [ originally posted by ebraheej ] ++
I am not sure actually...........
What I meant is how will you interpret it. What did you understand.(honestly)

Before I answer this can you confirm to me that the Kuran is indeed in the form of poetry?

 

[ebraheej]

Its Hard to explain what the quran is its not poetry, with all the similies metaphors and all the other literary elements. And its not Like regular writing either, Its a holy book, a religious scripture what ever you like to call it.
Believe me its differant than all the books you could read. The closest I can say is poetry in words but regul........ argggggg. Its to complicated to explain.
Ok its the mixture of both. But more poetic.

 

[Roverbhoy]

I wish I was skilled in languages so that I could read it in it's original format.:frown:
I'm not really very smart I'm afraid, but I asked the question about poetry because I was always taught that the true meaning of poetry was in fact that emotion which your heart experienced as you read it....if you feel love, or anger, or sympathy, then the poetry means love, or anger or sympathy...but the person next to you who reads it could experience hate, or bitterness, or joy, and to them that was the meaning of that poetry...that's why it is the purest form of the written word.

 

[ebraheej]

If thats how you define poetry then its not poetry, in your definition.

 

[ebraheej]

And I am sure you are smart

 

[Roverbhoy]

Then I'm not qualified to interperate it I'm afraid:frown:

 

[ebraheej]

Thats a shame.......

 

[Roverbhoy]

++ [ originally posted by ebraheej ] ++
And I am sure you are smart

You know my language , but I don't have the slightest idea about yours...I'm not smart

 

[mikhail]

++ [ originally posted by ebraheej ] ++
Is it coincidence.............

"Eleven plus two" is an anagram of "Twelve plus one". Did people think of that when written language was invented?

An anagram of "To be or not to be: that is the question, whether its nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune," is "In one of the Bard's best-thought-of tragedies, our insistent Hamlet, queries on two fronts about how life turns rotten."

"That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind."
(Neil Armstrong, on the moon)
ANAGRAM:
"A thin man ran; makes a large stride, left planet, pins flag on
moon! On to Mars!"

"President Clinton, of the USA"
ANAGRAM:
"To copulate, he finds interns"

All co-inkey-dink? I think not.

 

[KB824]

Technically John, the intern copulated with a very unfortunate Garcia Y Vega cigar.

 

[tikus]

gray..just a question..hope u answer it...
when and where jesus claim that he is a son of god?...

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by tikus ] ++
gray..just a question..hope u answer it...
when and where jesus claim that he is a son of god?...

Without going too deep, I'll just look at the Gospel of John

John 10:36

What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? (bolds mine)

“No one comes to the Father except through me.“ John 14:6

“Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.” John 14:9

Jesus also took for Himself several Old Testament metaphors reserved solely for God. e.g. the Good Shepherd . In other times, Jesus took an indirect approach, referring to Himself in the parables as the Sower, the Bridegroom, the Vineyard Owner, and, in fact, the King - each of which can be traced back to Old Testament references to God.

There's many more, but i think u were just asking to be shown a little bit

 

[Dj Juve]

yeah, i was just gonna say the same things..yeah..