Is it coincidence?? (1 Viewer)

Layce Erayce

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Aug 11, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by tikus ] ++
so gray..when jesus was crossed buy those bastard jew..
do u think that jesus is dead or something else happen..

and what ur oppinion on mel gibson's latest fim...
the passion of jesus christ...
tikus im not jewish, but id like it if we not bash people when talking about religion, especially when they are referred to by religion/ethnicity

cheers...

and if im not mistaken, it is believed that he physically died for 3 days, but not spiritually. he came back to life physically on the third day
 

gray

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Apr 22, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by tikus ] ++
so gray..when jesus was crossed buy those bastard jew..
You've already been reprimanded for this, but I also gotta ask you to please not make offensive references about any religion.

Jesus was a Jew.

Take it easy bro ;)

++ [ originally posted by tikus ] ++
do u think that jesus is dead or something else happen..
Jesus was dead for 3 days before he rose, and it's beyond a doubt that he was dead. He'd been crucified for 3 days and had a spear stuck in his side.

++ [ originally posted by tikus ] ++
and what ur oppinion on mel gibson's latest fim...
the passion of jesus christ...
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4447
 

Dj Juve

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Jul 12, 2002
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he was dead physically i think, but spiritially he was down in Hell fightin the devil or sth..i'll get the quotations in a while..


i know my version sound stupid..
 

mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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It's not that clear from the Bible. Basicly, it seems to imply that He was dead, and nothing less, for three days. He then makes a few calls to the disciples, and is assumed to heaven.

Luke 23:44It was now about the sixth hour, and darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour, 45for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. 46Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.
47The centurion, seeing what had happened, praised God and said, "Surely this was a righteous man." 48When all the people who had gathered to witness this sight saw what took place, they beat their breasts and went away. 49But all those who knew him, including the women who had followed him from Galilee, stood at a distance, watching these things.

Jesus' Burial

50Now there was a man named Joseph, a member of the Council, a good and upright man, 51who had not consented to their decision and action. He came from the Judean town of Arimathea and he was waiting for the kingdom of God. 52Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus' body. 53Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut in the rock, one in which no one had yet been laid. 54It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.
55The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.

Luke 24
1On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, "Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7'The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.' " 8Then they remembered his words.
9When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others. 10It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles. 11But they did not believe the women, because their words seemed to them like nonsense. 12Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away, wondering to himself what had happened.

On the Road to Emmaus

13Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles[1] from Jerusalem. 14They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16but they were kept from recognizing him.
17He asked them, "What are you discussing together as you walk along?"
18They stood still, their faces downcast. One of them, named Cleopas, asked him, "Are you only a visitor to Jerusalem and do not know the things that have happened there in these days?"
19"What things?" he asked.
20"About Jesus of Nazareth," they replied. "He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. 22In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning 23but didn't find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 24Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but him they did not see."
25He said to them, "How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26Did not the Christ[2] have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?" 27And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
28As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus acted as if he were going farther. 29But they urged him strongly, "Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over." So he went in to stay with them.
30When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32They asked each other, "Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?"
33They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together 34and saying, "It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon." 35Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread.

Jesus Appears to the Disciples

36While they were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you."
37They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. 38He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."
40When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, "Do you have anything here to eat?" 42They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43and he took it and ate it in their presence.
44He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."
45Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48You are witnesses of these things. 49I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high."
 

Gandalf

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Jul 28, 2003
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I've never read the Bible.. can anyone tell me (briefly) what is the story behind crucifying Jesus.. (as mentioned in the bible, that is) who ordered it..? why..?

and who wrote the bible..?why there are many versions..?
 

mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Gandalf ] ++
I've never read the Bible.. can anyone tell me (briefly) what is the story behind crucifying Jesus.. (as mentioned in the bible, that is) who ordered it..? why..?

and who wrote the bible..?why there are many versions..?
Gray might be a better guide for this than me, but as I remember it the religous leaders of the Jewish people (then under Roman rule) weren't too happy with this fly-by-night "saviour", and had the Roman governer arrest him. He was crucified for refusing to deny that he claimed to be "The King of the Jews" (INRI - the inscription on his cross). The governer, who felt that he was harmless enough (that period was full of prophets - see Monty Python's "The Life of Brian" for an amusing take on it), offered to let him go (he let one prisoner go at that time every year - his birthday or something?), but the crowd chose to release a guy called Barabus instead. The Bible refers to Barabus as a thief and a brigand, but the truth is thought to be that he was a rebel and a local hero, which is a bit more understandable.

The Bible is composed of two sections, the Old and New Testiment. The OT is the Jewish Bible, and the NT is the story of Jesus (told four times, by Mathew, Mark, Luke and John) and the stories of the apostles combined with a bunch of theological letters by a couple of them.

The Gospels (Matthew et al's stories of Jesus) are thought to have been written about 80 AD, while the Bible as it stands today was essentially forged in a Catholic conference about 375 AD. The differant versions are basically down to slight differances in translation, but they're essentially the same book. I think that the (Anglican) Protestants have two less books in their Bible, but I'm not sure which ones they leave out.

Gray, any particular points I've missed/ got wrong?
 

mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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That's the one.

Hence the tendancy for (English, at any rate) fans to refer to players who left their club as 'Judas'. You might remember how Sol Campbell got treated after leaving Spurs for Arsenal.

What? I had to get a football connection in somewhere! :D
 

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