Is Dubai a Country? (6 Viewers)

[Seven]

Palestine is not even a 'state' yet and had its own passport, sorry but no passport no state

Except no definition of state ever has required a passport. And I think the Montevideo convention is quite a bit more relevant in international law.

 

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[Azzurri7]

It's an emirate, which is essentially a principality, like Monaco or Andorra. Maybe more along the lines of Taiwan or Hong Kong, given the monarchy rule and federation.

This sums it up.

 

[Elvin]

it's a privilege of statehood, it's implied that only states can issue passports.

 

[Seven]

it's a privilege of statehood, it's implied that only states can issue passports.

Yes. Thus it is a consequence of statehood. Not a requirement. Kosovo did not have passports prior tot 2008 either. It would be ludicrous to make it the defining factor.

 

[Maddy]

Hmmm..

 

[GordoDeCentral]

London is more of a state than dubai

 

[Elvin]

Does Dubai have a flag? Just curious.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Does Dubai have a flag? Just curious.

Many cities have flags, means nothing

 

[Seven]

Does Dubai have a flag? Just curious.

Again. This is not an element of statehood. Lots of regions have flags and are not states. Look at rhe criteria I posted. That is international law. Not some random crap you make up along the way.

 

[Seven]

London is more of a state than dubai

It most certainly is not. London does not have a monarch and does not have a government. Dubai does.

 

[JuveJay]

London is more of a state than dubai

It's definitely a state

 

[GordoDeCentral]

It most certainly is not. London does not have a monarch and does not have a government. Dubai does.

Read up on link i provided, also dubai doesn't have a monarch

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It most certainly is not. London does not have a monarch and does not have a government. Dubai does.

Meant city of London

 

[Elvin]

Dubai maybe a State but it's not an independent state.

 

[Seven]

Read up on link i provided, also dubai doesn't have a monarch

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Meant city of London

I have read up on the link, but imo it is a bit vague. Because it's something that is hard to define. Just like Dubai. Fred thinks he can mock me, but truth is, it is very hard to define Dubai in terms of international law.

It's not Belgium, but it's not exactly Rome or Paris either.

 

[enzo]

My thoughts? Both.


In debating this topic I suggest we use the criteria for statehood that have been set out by the Montevideo Convention of 1933 as this is the most cited definition of statehood. As is well known the Montevideo Convention sets out four criteria for a state:

(a) a permanent population;
(b) a defined territory;
(c) government; and
(d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

The discussion will thus revolve around these four criteria and whether or not they are met by Dubai.

So, fulfill (a), (b) and (c) and have the capacity to enter into relations with others who fulfill (a), (b) and (c) make you a state? Wouldn't the majority of cities then be states after all? What defines a city?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I have read up on the link, but imo it is a bit vague. Because it's something that is hard to define. Just like Dubai. Fred thinks he can mock me, but truth is, it is very hard to define Dubai in terms of international law.

It's not Belgium, but it's not exactly Rome or Paris either.

I don't think that's the case, autonomy never meant statehood, can dubai wage wars, have embassies, and sign international political treaties? Answer is obvious no

 

[Seven]

I don't think that's the case, autonomy never meant statehood, can dubai wage wars, have embassies, and sign international political treaties? Answer is obvious no

Look at the very foundation of the UAE..

 

[Seven]

So, fulfill (a), (b) and (c) and have the capacity to enter into relations with others who fulfill (a), (b) and (c) make you a state? Wouldn't the majority of cities then be states after all? What defines a city?

Cities do not have governments. At least not in the way that it is normally understood.

 

[enzo]

Cities do not have governments. At least not in the way that it is normally understood.

Of course they do have goverments. London has a government, as well as Vienna. The definition of a state according to the Montevideo Convention, in my opinion, is just targeted at former colonies in the Americas. For this reason it has also only been signed by States from the Americas.

 

[Eddy]

I don't think that's the case, autonomy never meant statehood, can dubai wage wars, have embassies, and sign international political treaties? Answer is obvious no

yeah but there are other policies which make it somewhat a city-state but not in it's entirety compared to let's say 14th century europe