Iraq. Is it better now?? (AKA ISIS/ISIL/IS/name-of-the-week-here) (23 Viewers)

[Turk_Bianconero]

I'm more of a westerner then a muslim, but if I had to choose who would I want to be true muslim turk or tahir I would go with tahir. Even his name is more muslim.

and kamal atajew's firt name was Mustapha?

There is no true or false Muslims. There are Muslims, then there people who claim to be Muslim but obviously disagreeing with much of it, without having balls to come out as atheists, they want to twist the religion according their preferences.

 

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[Tevez10]

Western governments would not even donate their sins if they don't get more in return. He sounds like a burning anti-muslim who just found his way out of hell. What does it say in the end of the video? Who did lie? 3:02

ExMuslimNFree

You put this shit here and still call yourself a Muslim.

I think it's irrelevant what it says in the end of video, whether he changed his religion or not. He's right about everything he said! Example you can live in malaysia for 50 years and yet you won't get citizenship? You can even marry a malay girl and still they won't give citizenship? The worst is they speak about Ummah all the time.

 

[Eddy]

and kamal atajew's firt name was Mustapha?

There is no true or false Muslims. There are Muslims, then there people who claim to be Muslim but obviously disagreeing with much of it, without having balls to come out as atheists, they want to twist the religion according their preferences.

What category do you put Tahir and Raz in ?

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

What category do you put Tahir and Raz in ?

I am in no position to put people in categories as you can't see through what is in someone's heart. I asked him a question about how can a Muslim share a video of an Islamophobic and waiting for answer.

I think it's irrelevant what it says in the end of video, whether he changed his religion or not. He's right about everything he said! Example you can live in malaysia for 50 years and yet you won't get citizenship? You can even marry a malay girl and still they won't give citizenship? The worst is they speak about Ummah all the time.

That is Malaysian Govenrment's problem. The moment guy says ''this is your Ummah'' he is making his true purpose obvious.

This is my Ummah and people like him should wash his mouth before talking about it.
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[Eddy]

I am in no position to put people in categories as you can't see through what is in someone's heart.

You do generalise Shias though most of the time

 

[Trequartista]

He's right on all counts.

As much as I dislike the foreign policy of most of the developed western countries, there is no doubt in my mind that internally, they are more moral, more just, more egalitarian than most so called "muslim countries", and definitely more so than all arab countries.

We've become immoral and decadent imo and everything is about profit nowadays but I've never been to an Arab country so I can't say if you're right.

 

[Fred]

We've become immoral and decadent imo and everything is about profit nowadays but I've never been to an Arab country so I can't say if you're right.

You have, and i am not saying western countries are moral, my point was just that they're a lot more moral and just than arab countries who are supposedly "muslim countries", i was talking in completely relative terms.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

it's also easier to be moral and ethical in times and places of plenty I still maintain that the middle east's biggest hurdle is the reigning backwards culture and the use of religion as a tool of control, it's so subversive even educated people fall prey to it.

 

[Raz]

it's also easier to be moral and ethical in times and places of plenty I still maintain that the middle east's biggest hurdle is the reigning backwards culture and the use of religion as a tool of control, it's so subversive even educated people fall prey to it.

100% agree on the first point. Second, it doesn't help for sure.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

it's also easier to be moral and ethical in times and places of plenty I still maintain that the middle east's biggest hurdle is the reigning backwards culture and the use of religion as a tool of control, it's so subversive even educated people fall prey to it.

Yet none of countries are controlled by Muslims.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

yet religion is taught by govt sanctioned bodies, it fits right into the manual of how to maintain population control in a totalitarian regime

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

yet religion is taught by govt sanctioned bodies, it fits right into the manual of how to maintain population control in a totalitarian regime

It is taught by secular government to maintain population control, yes. Totalitarian Un-Islamic regimes are controlling Muslim population.

 

[Bisco]

it's also easier to be moral and ethical in times and places of plenty I still maintain that the middle east's biggest hurdle is the reigning backwards culture and the use of religion as a tool of control, it's so subversive even educated people fall prey to it.

exactly.

 

[Fr3sh]

Just give them some goddamn herbs and cookies, they'll get the munchies.

 

[swag]

We've become immoral and decadent imo and everything is about profit nowadays but I've never been to an Arab country so I can't say if you're right.

Some scientists might say one person's immorality and decadence is another's following the laws of natural selection.

I kind of see both ways of looking at it.

 

[Trequartista]

Some scientists might say one person's immorality and decadence is another's following the laws of natural selection.

I kind of see both ways of looking at it.

Meh, I find stuff like Black Friday and the commercialization of everything degrading and pathetic.

Hegel's Wild Beast in full display.

 

[ReBeL]

It is taught by secular government to maintain population control, yes. Totalitarian Un-Islamic regimes are controlling Muslim population.

I fully agree

 

[JuveJay]

Just give them some goddamn herbs and cookies, they'll get the munchies.

Until ninjas.

 

[ReBeL]

British hostage Alan Henning was just beheaded.

Another American was shown at the end of the video to be the next victim of US policies, according to the video by IS.

 

[swag]

Meh, I find stuff like Black Friday and the commercialization of everything degrading and pathetic.

Hegel's Wild Beast in full display.

But isn't the aspiration that we're somehow above the brutal and non-judgmental forces of nature a bit of a sham, really?