Iraq. Is it better now?? (AKA ISIS/ISIL/IS/name-of-the-week-here) (14 Viewers)

Is Iraq better now?

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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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    No, but Assad in power is better than Al Qaeda, ISIS, or any other Islamic group. It's not my fight but I would rather see Assad stay than what happened with Libya.
    Fair enough although I have exactly the opposite opinion

    How did it even get to this point in the first place? The withdrawal of European governments after WWII?
    What point exactly?
     

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    Eddy

    The Maestro
    Aug 20, 2005
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    These rebels are a real joke, Eddy. They do not and will not have any power on the ground. The real Syrian rebels are being shelled by USA and its allies now.
    Source ? Unless you mean the "real" Syrian rebels are ISIS ?

    No, but Assad in power is better than Al Qaeda, ISIS, or any other Islamic group. It's not my fight but I would rather see Assad stay than what happened with Libya.
    Pretty much this.
     
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    ReBeL

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    Source ? Unless you mean the "real" Syrian rebels are ISIS ?
    Nusra Front and Ahrar Al-Sham are the best rebels in Syria. Others are not really a power.

    A radical extremist, head-chopping government slaughtering anybody who doesn't believe in their ways? Sounds like a great idea!
    Of course, Not. Until now, the only Arab model that succeeded after the Arab spring is the Tunisian model because their army is clean and because people have a high rate of literacy. Tunisian model did not do anything from your sentence above.
     
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    ReBeL

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    There were still periods of relative peace though, right?
    Well, yes. The quietest period, IMO, was during the Ottoman ruling. They ruled the region from 1516 to 1916. There were also problems during their era, but I think they were less dramatic than other periods...
     

    Hust

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    Hustini
    May 29, 2005
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    It has been like that for thousands of years
    And the US has been for less than 250 years.

    Looks like there was a mess there long before we ever started anything.

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/26/world/middleeast/womens-rights-activist-executed-by-islamic-state-in-iraq.html?_r=0

    What a bunch of pussies. Executes a women's rights activist after torturing her...executed by a firing squad.


    A woman.

    A woman fighting for women in a region notorious for suppressing women.

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    Jul 2, 2006
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    Tell your ISIS buddies to grow a set of balls and come out of hiding behind kids and women.
    They are not my ''buddies'' but it's safe to say they would skin your soldiers alive if they meet on ground. There is a reason why US made it clear, they will not field troops.

    About hiding behind kids and women; This is a shameless excuse Jews use while they slaughter people of Gaza. It seems you are no better than them.
     

    Bianconero_Aus

    Beppe Marotta Is My God
    May 26, 2009
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    They are not my ''buddies'' but it's safe to say they would skin your soldiers alive if they meet on ground. There is a reason why US made it clear, they will not field troops.

    About hiding behind kids and women; This is a shameless excuse Jews use while they slaughter people of Gaza. It seems you are no better than them.
    Yeah right :lol:

    ISIS would be destroyed in a battle against US ground troops, I just don't think America want to go down that route at this moment in time. Doesn't seem to be a popular option.
     
    Jul 2, 2006
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    Turkey shoulders aid burden as crisis enters sixth day

    Turkish state, NGOs and political parties have sent aid to the southeastern Turkish town of Suruc receiving immigration from Syrian Kurdish refugees.

    As an unprecedented refugee influx into Turkey continues for almost a week, humanitarian aid is still flowing to the border town of Suruc.

    However, there is still much to do and the international community needs to help, U.N. agency workers on the ground have said.

    More than 140,000 refugees have fled to the Turkish side of the barbed wire barrier separating Suruc from the Kurdish city of Kobani; the northern Syrian city has been on the front line of an offensive by the Islamist extremist ISIL group.

    Turkey's Emergency and Disaster Management Presidency – known as AFAD – said shelters for almost 10,000 people had been allocated, including a boarding school and a new tent camp near the border with a capacity of 6,000.

    It said it will also establish further tents for 24,000 people in upcoming days.

    One refugee, Amine al-Hassan, told the Anadolu Agency that she was thankful to aid campaigners as her family could not find a hot meal for days, despite being only 10 kilometers from their home in Syria.

    Meanwhile, a U.N. cargo plane has landed in Turkey, carrying mattresses, plastic sheets, kitchen sets and blankets, according to a UNHCR official.

    Selin Unal, a spokesperson for the refugee agency, told AA that aid materials for 200,000 people would be ready in Turkey.

    Further aid is on its way with a road convoy from Copenhagen and via sea from Dubai to Mersin in southern Turkey; these are expected to arrive on 11 October.

    However, Unal said Turkey needs more international support as it has sheltered a number of refugees in the last week equal to what European countries have accepted since the beginning of Syrian crisis three years ago.

    The emergency body, AFAD, is serving daily meals for almost 10,000 people and providing more than 40,000 liters of clean water via almost 2,200 workers.

    The Turkish Red Crescent is also distributing meals for 10,000 Kurdish refugees, who have spread all across Suruc town, some filling mosques, parks and storehouses.

    On Friday, 12 trucks sent by the Barzani Charity Foundation from northern Iraq came to the Mursitpinar border crossing carrying aid materials into Kobani.

    Meanwhile, other Turkish relief organizations have given support to refugees in terms of food and health care. Turkey’s IHH Humanitarian Relief Foundation is providing three daily meals for 5,000 people and is examining patients in a mobile clinic in central Suruc.

    The mainly Kurdish refugees are also being medically examined by the Alliance of International Doctors, according to their representative Eyup Hazar.

    “A medical truck allows us to examine 100 refugees daily in Suruc and nearby villages,” Hazar told Anadolu Agency.

    He said that many children and women have upper respiratory tract infections or skin problems, as well as nutrition disorders.

    Suruc Municipality is also organizing an aid campaign with food packets, blankets and clean water, according to spokesman Mehmet Sakir.

    Political parties in Turkey, such as the Republican People's Party and the pro-Kurdish Peoples' Democratic Party have also sent members and aid to the region.

    Thousands of Syrian refugees continue to pass through the barbed wire fences under security controls during the day. Some are attempting to return to the homes on the Syrian side of the frontier, despite the proximity of fighting between Kurdish forces and ISIL militants.

    www.aa.com.tr/en

    Turkey calls for UN safe zones at Syria border

    Border zones necessary to maintain Turkey's security amid influx of refugees, Turkish officials say

    The need for United Nations safe zones at the Syrian border is once again on Turkey's agenda as a new flood of refugees from Syria pour into the country amid attacks by ISIL militants.

    The number of Syrian people fleeing to Turkey from the Kurdish city of Kobani had risen to 130,000 since Friday, Turkish officials said on Tuesday.

    Both Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu have mentioned the importance of safe zones in recent remarks to the media.

    Erdogan mentioned the need for zones in a press conference just before leaving for New York on Sunday.

    And in a televised interview on Monday night, Davutoglu pointed out the increase in refugee flows triggered by U.S. airstrikes on ISIL targets in Iraq and Syria.

    The prime minister said: "We found it would be more legitimate for Turkey to be part of the actions if a safe zone was built to ease the refugee burden on the country."

    "Every airstrike can create a new refugee flow. We have to take precautions accordingly."

    Regime enemy

    Turkey has requested safe zones in Syria since 2012 from the UN, but could not find the necessary international support.

    Russia, the staunchest ally of the Syrian regime, has vetoed all draft proposals at the U.N. Security Council envisaging any military measures on the administration.

    However, observers said that Russia may not veto this time, as the safe zones will aim to create protection from ISIL, also an enemy of the Syrian regime.

    Also, no opposition from the regime of President Bashar al-Assad has been seen towards the U.S. attacks on Syrian territory against ISIL.

    UN-built safe zones are aimed at protecting civilians in their territories, as has happened before in Bosnia and Iraq.

    The security of safe zones, as laid out in the seventh Chapter of the U.N. Charter, is provided by multinational security forces from UN members.

    The safe zones could be supported with buffer zones and no-fly zones if necessary.

    In 1991, the UN established a safe zone in northern Iraq shortly after the first Gulf War to protect the Kurdish population.

    Eruption of war

    In line with the Resolution 688 of the UN Security Council, a no-fly zone was established by the US' and French air forces with NATO's support.

    Allied ground forces were tasked with ensuring peace in the region.

    The international forces included the U.S., British, French, Australian and Dutch soldiers, while Turkey's Incirlik Air Base in Adana was used intensively during the operations.

    The 58-day operation in northern Iraq was successful, and the safe zone continued to exist until the second Iraqi invasion of the U.S. in 2003.

    Another example of the U.N. safe areas was in Bosnia, which were established in 1993 after Serbian ethnic cleansing carried out during the Bosnian War.

    The war erupted after Bosnia's declaration of independence following the dissolution of Yugoslavia.

    A total of 530,000 Bosnians fled to Europe, while 2.6 million others sought refuge in old Yugoslavian territories during the war and those who remained sought shelter at interior regions.

    With several UN Security Council resolutions, safe zones were established in Zepa, Srebrenica, Tuzla, Sarajevo, Gorazde and Bihac regions in 1993 in the country and put under the protection of the UN army and NATO.

    www.aa.com.tr/en


    Yeah right :lol:

    ISIS would be destroyed in a battle against US ground troops, I just don't think America want to go down that route at this moment in time. Doesn't seem to be a popular option.
    And that would have nothing to do with their courage but steel death machines. He keeps mentioning cowardice and bravery, what i am trying to say is that he is no position to moan about it while their only superiority is technology.
     

    Tevez10

    Senior Member
    Aug 29, 2013
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    It's quite simple: Assad provides stability (or at least he did). Assad is the lesser of two evils.
    He's not! He's been killing civillians since 2012, and back then all world was against him, but yet US, didn't care about human rights!

    Let's just agree that it has nothing to do with Terrorism, human rights, democracy or anything like that, it's all about oil.
     

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