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Dostoevsky

Tzu
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May 27, 2007
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#83
mmh i wonder where that leaves the rest of the world, main reason why us is suffering right now is because of europe. Basing decisions on current economic condition is silly.
:lol2:

US economy is a bunch of joke and full of fraud. Biggest moves that are making the whole collapse is coming right from the US. They literally avoided bankruptcy only because Obama changed the law just so he could make even bigger debts. But China will come again to collect their bonds money, as they own 50% of it. It will collapse, only naive Americans think it's not a bad situation. There is no exit for you, unless you make a WW III and make a profit like you did before.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
70,789
#84
:lol2:

US economy is a bunch of joke and full of fraud. Biggest moves that are making the whole collapse is coming right from the US. They literally avoided bankruptcy only because Obama changed the law just so he could make even bigger debts. But China will come again to collect their bonds money, as they own 50% of it. It will collapse, only naive Americans think it's not a bad situation. There is no exit for you, unless you make a WW III and make a profit like you did before.
first of all dont take this attitude with me :) i didnt just read some econ book or watched some cnn special i have been working in FINANCE for over 9 years, i have traded, moved and managed 100s of millions of dollars and participated in major mergers and acquisitions in other words i actually know what i am talking about. It's double dipping for a very simple fact: europe. The us has many times raised the debt ceiling before, tea baggers tried to make a political stunt out of it. way out or no way out, what you fail to realize is if the US fails economically on a scale of 10 it will mean a failure for everyone else at a scale of at least a 100.
 

Bisco

Senior Member
Nov 21, 2005
14,418
#85
Well if you come to Australia you can look forward to rapidly increasing cultural intolerance, especially if your Muslim :tup:
i think people are worried of the unknown and they use stereotypes as there means of judging which really narrows the horizon of getting to know people with different cultures and ideologies. you would be amazed how stereotypes in these matters effect the final decision regarding opening up and giving people a chance to prove they r not as bad or evil as they might perceive.
 

Cheesio

**********
Jul 11, 2006
22,514
#86
:lol2:

US economy is a bunch of joke and full of fraud. Biggest moves that are making the whole collapse is coming right from the US. They literally avoided bankruptcy only because Obama changed the law just so he could make even bigger debts. But China will come again to collect their bonds money, as they own 50% of it. It will collapse, only naive Americans think it's not a bad situation. There is no exit for you, unless you make a WW III and make a profit like you did before.
:agree: US is fucked, Time for China to rule the worlds.

Goldman and Sacks fucked the US.
 

Salvo

J
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Dec 17, 2007
62,791
#87
i think people are worried of the unknown and they use stereotypes as there means of judging which really narrows the horizon of getting to know people with different cultures and ideologies. you would be amazed how stereotypes in these matters effect the final decision regarding opening up and giving people a chance to prove they r not as bad or evil as they might perceive.
:agree:
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
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Dec 10, 2004
29,281
#88
this has always been a place for people who want to work hard, whether immigrant or native, just ask someone like Aaron. I truly believe, from experience and observation, that success, especially academically, is available to anyone willing to work hard enough for it. I have plenty of friends who have worked and gone to school full time, who are neither rich nor sponsored. You can still go to school for around 10 Gs and the govt pays some of it and you can get loans(which in the long run turn out to be cheaper than european tax rates). And no way in hell are european city as welcoming as american ones, americans celebrate and like diversity. europeans are suspicious and wary of it, i d describe it as an american naivety because they are so remote from the old world, the proof the only immigrants that are 'feeling' it in the US so to speak are mexicans.
And finally to the doctor whos driving a cabbie, 2 possibilities, either he cant cut it here or hes content driving his cab(which reinforces that this is a good place to be). Hard work still pays off here, expecting handouts not so much.
Let's face it all that prosperity is declining though. The "American Dream" is long gone.

I can't speak for the rest of Europe but living in Stockholm as a foreigner is no different than living in Baltimore, for ex.
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
#89
first of all dont take this attitude with me :) i didnt just read some econ book or watched some cnn special i have been working in FINANCE for over 9 years, i have traded, moved and managed 100s of millions of dollars and participated in major mergers and acquisitions in other words i actually know what i am talking about. It's double dipping for a very simple fact: europe. The us has many times raised the debt ceiling before, tea baggers tried to make a political stunt out of it. way out or no way out, what you fail to realize is if the US fails economically on a scale of 10 it will mean a failure for everyone else at a scale of at least a 100.
oooh look at deneb getting insecure of himself now :D
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,757
#90
first of all dont take this attitude with me :) i didnt just read some econ book or watched some cnn special i have been working in FINANCE for over 9 years, i have traded, moved and managed 100s of millions of dollars and participated in major mergers and acquisitions in other words i actually know what i am talking about. It's double dipping for a very simple fact: europe. The us has many times raised the debt ceiling before, tea baggers tried to make a political stunt out of it. way out or no way out, what you fail to realize is if the US fails economically on a scale of 10 it will mean a failure for everyone else at a scale of at least a 100.
You're into murders and executions too?
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
Administrator
May 27, 2007
88,983
#91
first of all dont take this attitude with me :) i didnt just read some econ book or watched some cnn special i have been working in FINANCE for over 9 years, i have traded, moved and managed 100s of millions of dollars and participated in major mergers and acquisitions in other words i actually know what i am talking about. It's double dipping for a very simple fact: europe. The us has many times raised the debt ceiling before, tea baggers tried to make a political stunt out of it. way out or no way out, what you fail to realize is if the US fails economically on a scale of 10 it will mean a failure for everyone else at a scale of at least a 100.
First off, I never said you know nothing. Secondly, I'm not writing that stuff because I can pass one exam and I don't watch the rubbish such as CNN. What I said about bankruptcy and bonds money are nothing but a fact. You managing millions doesn't have to mean what you're talking about it because even Nobel prize winners talk silly things. And thirdly, I well aware of the whole collapse if US hits the bottom and I said that quite a few times.
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
Moderator
Dec 10, 2004
29,281
#92
first of all dont take this attitude with me :) i didnt just read some econ book or watched some cnn special i have been working in FINANCE for over 9 years, i have traded, moved and managed 100s of millions of dollars and participated in major mergers and acquisitions in other words i actually know what i am talking about. It's double dipping for a very simple fact: europe. The us has many times raised the debt ceiling before, tea baggers tried to make a political stunt out of it. way out or no way out, what you fail to realize is if the US fails economically on a scale of 10 it will mean a failure for everyone else at a scale of at least a 100.
So it has nothing to do with fighting two pointless wars, spending hundreds of millions daily, general greed, mismanagement, etc?

I don't know half as much as you about this stuff but I'm guessing at some point even the calculator can't explain where shit went wrong.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
70,789
#93
oooh look at deneb getting insecure of himself now :D
not really its more i should be having that attitude instead of being subjected to it :D

You're into murders and executions too?
great reference chief, you;re on a roll today

First off, I never said you know nothing. Secondly, I'm not writing that stuff because I can pass one exam and I don't watch the rubbish such as CNN. What I said about bankruptcy and bonds money are nothing but a fact. You managing millions doesn't have to mean what you're talking about it because even Nobel prize winners talk silly things. And thirdly, I well aware of the whole collapse if US hits the bottom and I said that quite a few times.

we are not talking about how the crisis initially originated back in 08 we are strictly talking about why we are on the brink of a double dip recession, and as much as quantitative easing policies are being linked with it no one worth his salt would even argue that the situation in greece, portugal, ireland(lesser extent spain and italy) are the obvious cause
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
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May 27, 2007
88,983
#94
So it has nothing to do with fighting two pointless wars, spending hundreds of millions daily, general greed, mismanagement, etc?

I don't know half as much as you about this stuff but I'm guessing at some point even the calculator can't explain where shit went wrong.
Clinton was born and started messing his fingers. Their debt is hitting 15 trillion dollars, I wonder how will they pay it, but I assume with another 15 trillion debt. US economy is a bunch of joke along with JP Morgan and other idiots. They destroyed people with their campaign of how every American can afford his own home :howler: Everything that goes wrong comes from the US. And I'm not saying Europe is much better. But it's all about China now. Germany is :tup: but EU will destroy them.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
70,789
#95
So it has nothing to do with fighting two pointless wars, spending hundreds of millions daily, general greed, mismanagement, etc?

I don't know half as much as you about this stuff but I'm guessing at some point even the calculator can't explain where shit went wrong.
if we are talking the crisis in 08 then it's definitely real estate bubble, not even the war expenditure(though it definitely was waste) compares
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
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May 27, 2007
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#96
we are not talking about how the crisis initially originated back in 08 we are strictly talking about why we are on the brink of a double dip recession, and as much as quantitative easing policies are being linked with it no one worth his salt would even argue that the situation in greece, portugal, ireland(lesser extent spain and italy) are the obvious cause
Greece fiscal policy is a joke but their debt is small and you can't even compare it. Both Portugal and Italy own less than 2 trillion dollars and even before they got that debt, the US had a bigger one. Everything they do is wrong but sure, you can live in oblivion and believe your corrupt government. Oh, and this crisis is worse than the one in 1929, but I guess you already know that. It's just weird that you think it's Europe's fault.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
70,789
#99
Greece fiscal policy is a joke but their debt is small and you can even compare it. Both Portugal and Italy own less than 2 trillion dollars and even before they got that debt, the US had a bigger one. Everything they do is wrong but sure, you can live in oblivion and believe your corrupt government. Oh, and this crisis is worse than the one in 1929, but I guess you already know that. It's just weird that you think it's Europe's fault.
i dont believe or listen to anyone, this is pretty obvious stuff and it has nothing to do with fiscal issues its strictly borrowing/solvency and investor confidence, so if shit is fucked anywhere everyone suffers.
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
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Dec 10, 2004
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Clinton was born and started messing his fingers. Their debt is hitting 15 trillion dollars, I wonder how will they pay it, but I assume with another 15 trillion debt. US economy is a bunch of joke along with JP Morgan and other idiots. They destroyed people with their campaign of how every American can afford his own home :howler: Everything that goes wrong comes from the US. And I'm not saying Europe is much better. But it's all about China now. Germany is :tup: but EU will destroy them.
Haven't the French banks asked Germany to bail them out? I hear mumblings that if this doesn't happen the EU will collapse? It was 6 in the morning and I was driving home from work so I don't know if I heard it right :p
 

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