"I support Muslims who love freedom" (13 Viewers)

[Alen]

Ah, I see. In that case, I would say that if you were born an atheist and were taught to despise religions then you would be just as brainwashed as the next Christian. But then again, we're all brainwashed aren't we?

True.

In this case it came as a shock to me. He went there as a 26 year old and they somehow managed to delete almost everything in his brain and install a new program.
My main problem was with the hatred they installed in him for other religions, in this case Muslims. That's an organization that is being financed by the state, I think, so I find it hard to accept that the state allows that.
They (probably) managed to make him leave the heroin via religion, but couldn't they simply stop at that? Why make him hate other religions?

 

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[JBF]

There are a lot of people who are becoming religious without guidance of someone else. On the other hand brainwashing is more common in anti-religion communities. In fact, atheism or secularism started to become a new religion and their preachers are even more intolerant than religious ones.

Very true.

 

[rounder]

True.

In this case it came as a shock to me. He went there as a 26 year old and they somehow managed to delete almost everything in his brain and install a new program.
My main problem was with the hatred they installed in him for other religions, in this case Muslims. That's an organization that is being financed by the state, I think, so I find it hard to accept that the state allows that.
They (probably) managed to make him leave the heroin via religion, but couldn't they simply stop at that? Why make him hate other religions?

Because contrary to popular belief, there is no harmony between religions. In other words, not all religions are the same. In fact, religions are very different and if, for example, Islam is the right religion, then this automatically means that Christianity and Judaism are wrong.

This is the danger and this is why preachers of Religion are so adamant in making sure their followers despise Religions that are not their own. The way I see it, it's like a business. The preachers are the marketers and they want to not only sell their product to their consumers but convince them that their product is the best.

It is like when Pepsi makes commercials that show how Coca Cola is bad, for example. This is no different from Religion. It's their method of surviving, they need to kill competition and assume control of the brains of the consumers/believers.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Because contrary to popular belief, there is no harmony between religions. In other words, not all religions are the same. In fact, religions are very different and if, for example, Islam is the right religion, then this automatically means that Christianity and Judaism are wrong.

This is the danger and this is why preachers of Religion are so adamant in making sure their followers despise Religions that are not their own. The way I see it, it's like a business. The preachers are the marketers and they want to not only sell their product to their consumers but convince them that their product is the best.

It is like when Pepsi makes commercials that show how Coca Cola is bad, for example. This is no different from Religion. It's their method of surviving, they need to kill competition and assume control of the brains of the consumers/believers.

This is Mullaism. It's an epidemic but I think it should be noted not everyone is afflicted with this disease. Thank God.

 

[rounder]

This is Mullaism. It's an epidemic but I think it should be noted not everyone is afflicted with this disease. Thank God.

Ze, are you familiar with Plato's Allegory of the Cave?

 

[Zé Tahir]

Ze, are you familiar with Plato's Allegory of the Cave?

Nope.

 

[rounder]

Nope.

It's a great analogy about knowledge. Anyways I think you'll like it. I could sum it up for you if you want, but just not now. I'm too tired.

 

[Enron]

It's been brought up before.

 

[rounder]

It's been brought up before.

Really? By who?

 

[Zé Tahir]

It's a great analogy about knowledge. Anyways I think you'll like it. I could sum it up for you if you want, but just not now. I'm too tired.

Another time perhaps I'll take a quick look on Wiki though.

 

[Enron]

Really? By who?

I've brought it up one or two times. There was a "philosophy thread" at one time too.

 

[rounder]

I've brought it up one or two times. There was a "philosophy thread" at one time too.

It must have been before I joined this forum. Cool to know.

 

[JuveJay]

But how do you know that? How can you classify one type of brainwashing as being more valid than another? Based on what?

I was being sarcastic of course, most people follow a religion based on where they are brought up or born into, although there are obvious exceptions.

 

[JuveJay]

I've brought it up one or two times. There was a "philosophy thread" at one time too.

I bet that was interesting on this forum.

 

[Enron]

Peter King: I'll Hold Hearings On Radical Islam

| 12/19/10 02:59 PM |

NEW YORK — The incoming head of the House Committee on Homeland Security says he will hold hearings on what he calls the "radicalization" of some American Muslims.

Rep. Peter King, a Republican from Long Island, said Sunday that law-enforcement officials around the country have told him they receive little cooperation from Muslims.

But a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations said he fears King's hearings will become an "anti-Muslim witch hunt." Ibrahim Hooper said several recent terrorist plots have been foiled because members of the Muslim community did cooperate with law enforcement.

King said in an opinion piece in Sunday's Newsday that he will do all he can to "drive the public debate" on Islamic radicalization.

-Huffington Post

 

[Fake Melo]

Here is some interesting statistics for y'all.

According to Interpols statistics for 2006-2009 is Islamists behind 0,34% of all terrorist-attacks in Europe. Right Wing Ethno-Nationalist/Separatist is behind 90,17%, Left Wing is behind 5,99% and others behind 3.50%.


Take that to the bank.

 

[JuveJay]

That just means that national separatist groups are still doing what they have done for decades, ETA, the IRA, Chechens, etc. Those are national threats. Radical Islamists are a global threat. Percentages of course only show a certain statistic.

9/11 would be what, 0.1% on that scale, as a single incident?

 

[Fred]

An interesting debate, albeit a short one on Al-Arabeya about separation of religion and state in the Arab world.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Does it come out that they should be separate?

That's the only way I would want to watch that.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

ha! sayeth the one who faults religion for being close-minded