"I support Muslims who love freedom" (3 Viewers)

[Enron]

None of you will ever read the Quran and already consider it an oppressive religion so what's the difference?

I've read parts (even own a copy) and I don't think it's an oppressive religion. Though some people that practice it are oppressive.

 

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[GordoDeCentral]

None of you will ever read the Quran and already consider it an oppressive religion so what's the difference?

nobody called anything oppressive on here though

 

[Enron]

nobody called anything oppressive on here though

There was talk of brainwashes.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

There was talk of brainwashes.

what do you call taming a young skilled buck who only dribbles and never passes into an effective team player?

 

[rounder]

Sissoko?

 

[Enron]

what do you call taming a young skilled buck who only dribbles and never passes into an effective team player?

A miracle.

 

[Zé Tahir]

nobody called anything oppressive on here though

No, I mean this friend of Alens has been 'brainwashed' into a Christian who only reads the Bible and will never read the Qur'an because he believes it's an evil religion. A lot of people here will never read he Qur'an because they also believe that it is an evil and oppressive religion. Only difference being that they weren't brainwashed by a church to think so.

 

[rounder]

No, I mean this friend of Alens has been 'brainwashed' into a Christian who only reads the Bible and will never read the Qur'an because he believes it's an evil religion. A lot of people here will never read he Qur'an because they also believe that it is an evil and oppressive religion. Only difference being that they weren't brainwashed by a church to think so.

Doesn't that argument go both ways though?

 

[JuveJay]

There are a lot of people who are becoming religious without guidance of someone else. On the other hand brainwashing is more common in anti-religion communities. In fact, atheism or secularism started to become a new religion and their preachers are even more intolerant than religious ones.

Statistics please.

 

[JuveJay]

Doesn't that argument go both ways though?

Well yeah, maybe one brainwashing is more valid than the other, everyone is a product of their environment.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Doesn't that argument go both ways though?

There have been times I've known more about Christianity than the Christian I met.

 

[rounder]

There have been times I've known more about Christianity than the Christian I met.

Sure, and there were times where I knew more about Islam than the Muslim I met. But surely, saying that one specific religion or belief system brainwashes people is not fair is it? Double standards?

 

[Bjerknes]

Thinking one's religion is better than another is like little girls arguing over their favorite dolls. All of it is nonsense and you'll eventually grow out of it.

 

[rounder]

Well yeah, maybe one brainwashing is more valid than the other, everyone is a product of their environment.

But how do you know that? How can you classify one type of brainwashing as being more valid than another? Based on what?

 

[Gamaro]

Thinking one's religion is better than another is like little girls arguing over their favorite dolls. All of it is nonsense and you'll eventually grow out of it.

Can you plz explain why?

 

[rounder]

Thinking one's religion is better than another is like little girls arguing over their favorite dolls. All of it is nonsense and you'll eventually grow out of it.

But my doll is better looking than yours cuz mine has a pink corvette!

 

[Zé Tahir]

Sure, and there were times where I knew more about Islam than the Muslim I met. But surely, saying that one specific religion or belief system brainwashes people is not fair is it? Double standards?

lol, you didnt' get my point at all. I was asking Alen what the difference is between this so called brainwashed Christian with this mindset about Islam and anyone else (atheist/agnostic) who feels the same way except they weren't 'brainwashed'.

 

[rounder]

Can you plz explain why?

the problem isn't with religion itself. It's those who preach religion. If religion did have any truth to it; it has thoroughly been erased by thousands of years of dogmatic rule, tyranny, injustice, and hypocrisy.

 

[rounder]

lol, you didnt' get my point at all. I was asking Alen what the difference is between this so called brainwashed Christian with this mindset about Islam and anyone else (atheist/agnostic) who feels the same way except they weren't 'brainwashed'.

Ah, I see. In that case, I would say that if you were born an atheist and were taught to despise religions then you would be just as brainwashed as the next Christian. But then again, we're all brainwashed aren't we?

 

[Gamaro]

the problem isn't with religion itself. It's those who preach religion. If religion did have any truth to it; it has thoroughly been erased by thousands of years of dogmatic rule, tyranny, injustice, and hypocrisy.

I agree with you in this point.