Hypocrites, expose yourself (2 Viewers)

[Fred]

They can beat us. They beat Italy so why not Croatia.
But we are stronger.

If this generation was so good they'd have made at least one WC appearance. They're winning the African Cup only because the African star players, none of which is an Egyptian, don't even give a damn about that competition in the middle of the season.

Thats not true, most African players even have run ins with their clubs so that they can play at the African Cup.

Look at Essien, he was injured, yet he was insistent on making the African Cup. How is that not giving a damn?

No, if you knew anything about Egyptian football, you'd know they've been raping African teams ever since the dawn of African football, before African players went to Europe. This isn't a new thing.

Egypts only problem is a lot of their players play in their shitty domestic league where training is poor, players eat and do whatever they want and in general there is zero discipline. Which is what makes their players fitness levels rather poor in comparison to Africans.

In a tournament that will last a few weeks, they'd have probably made it to the second round of the WC.

As for Croatia, when you at least regularly qualify for the European Cup, i'd take you guys a little more seriously. You have good players no doubt, but as a team, you still have some way to go before you can compare yourself to Egypt imo.

 

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[The Curr]

Well, you did qualify for many tournaments in the last 20 years and you always have 4-5 well known players so yes, you're traditionally among the best ~20 teams in Europe. Sometimes at the bottom of top 20, sometimes right after the top 10.

I guess. The current generation is awful though. We've only ever qualified for '88, '90, '94, '02.

 

[Fred]

They qualified, did they not?

If so, then they deserve to be there, because they will be there.

I don't even like North Korea, but if they won through their own federation's qualification process, that's fair and square.

Of course they deserve to be there relative to other Asian countries. They beat Saudi Arabia to the second spot, so they are more deserving than them of the WC.

But are they more deserving than nations from other continents. I don't Asia should feel hard done by, if they had 3 and a half spots.

 

[Alen]

As for Croatia, when you at least regularly qualify for the European Cup, i'd take you guys a little more seriously. You have good players no doubt, but as a team, you still have some way to go before you can compare yourself to Egypt imo.

We do that regularly :faq1:

Our first qualifiers were for EC 1996.

We played in 1996, 1998, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008 and we only didn't make it in 2000 and 2010.
Now tell me how many times out of these 8, Egypt would have qualified for an EC or WC if they played in a European qualification group?
They couldn't make past the African groups so I doubt they'd have did it in a Euro group.

They'd have probably been at the same level with Bosnia, with one play-off appearance and lots of 3rd or 4th places in the groups.

 

[Bjerknes]

Of course they deserve to be there relative to other Asian countries. They beat Saudi Arabia to the second spot, so they are more deserving than them of the WC.

But are they more deserving than nations from other continents. I don't Asia should feel hard done by, if they had 3 and a half spots.

Why not give them just three? Hell, why not one or two?

Once you get down to it, the chances of any Asian nation winning the Cup is pretty much zilch, so why not side with the Europeans and give them no spots?

Perhaps instead of having one World Cup, they should have a First World Cup and a Third World Cup, and distinguish it that way.

 

[Fred]

Why not give them just three? Hell, why not one or two?

Once you get down to it, the chances of any Asian nation winning the Cup is pretty much zilch, so why not side with the Europeans and give them no spots?

Perhaps instead of having one World Cup, they should have a First World Cup and a Third World Cup, and distinguish it that way.

We've got enough Switzerlands and Slovenia's thank you very much


QUOTE=Alen;2481882]We do that regularly :faq1:

Our first qualifiers were for EC 1996.

We played in 1996, 1998, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008 and we only didn't make it in 2000 and 2010.
Now tell me how many times out of these 8, Egypt would have qualified for an EC or WC if they played in a European qualification group?
They couldn't make past the African groups so I doubt they'd have did it in a Euro group.

They'd have probably been at the same level with Bosnia, with one play-off appearance and lots of 3rd or 4th places in the groups.[/QUOTE]

If the games were all played over the span of a month, they'd probably make it every time

back to real life conditions, they probably wouldn't have made it, but then again i doubt if Croatia were in Africa, that they would win the Nations Cup three times in a row.

 

[Ken]

FORZA POULSEN!

There's no room for cheering for Juve players when the Oranje play, and don't you forget it.

 

[Alen]

back to real life conditions, they probably wouldn't have made it, but then again i doubt if Croatia were in Africa, that they would win the Nations Cup three times in a row.

They wouldn't have cared if the players played in the best european leagues. It's like caring about the Gold Cup.
The USA won it 3 times out of the last 5 and Brazil didn't win it a single time even though they appeared there 3 times.

 

[Red]

There's no room for cheering for Juve players when the Oranje play, and don't you forget it.

My view will only change if I decide to put money on Holland between now and the tournament.

 

[Fred]

They wouldn't have cared if the players played in the best european leagues. It's like caring about the Gold Cup.
The USA won it 3 times out of the last 5 and Brazil didn't win it a single time even though they appeared there 3 times.

You can't prove that African players didn't care about the tournament though, thats just an unfounded assumption your making that has no basis at all.

As for the comparison to Brazils participation in the Gold Cup. Who did Brazil call up? Who did (insert any top African team you want) NOT call up. When an injured Kaka asks to be included in the squad for the Gold Cup, then you can make such a comparison.

Until then, you are just making baseless assumptions, and are just clutching at straws.

 

[Alen]

You can't prove that African players didn't care about the tournament though, thats just an unfounded assumption your making that has no basis at all.

As for the comparison to Brazils participation in the Gold Cup. Who did Brazil call up? Who did (insert any top African team you want) NOT call up. When an injured Kaka asks to be included in the squad for the Gold Cup, then you can make such a comparison.

Until then, you are just making baseless assumptions, and are just clutching at straws.

I am looking at the players playing for their clubs and I watched them play at the African Cup.
It can't be a coincidence that all the stars played so shitty. All of them, without exception.

That's something you won't see at a WC or an EC, but it always happens at the African Cup.
That's enough for me to conclude that they don't care about that cup.

 

[Fred]

I am looking at the players playing for their clubs and I watched them play at the African Cup.
It can't be a coincidence that all the stars played so shitty. All of them, without exception.

That's something you won't see at a WC or an EC, but it always happens at the African Cup.
That's enough for me to conclude that they don't care about that cup.

Did you watch the Ivory Coast team in 2006? Did you watch Cameroon in 2002 and 2000? Did you watch Nigeria in 2000? Did you watch Ghana in 2008?

Do you know who the top scorer in the history of African Cups is?

A few teams and/or players being off form in a couple of tournaments says nothing at all about how much they care about the tournament. You remind me of the Azzurri fanboys that said Italy didn't care about the Confed Cup. Why? Because of how badly they played.

If they truly didn't care, why would all the teams call up all their players, no exceptions whatsoever. (answer this question please)

 

[Alen]

If they truly didn't care, why would all the teams call up all their players, no exceptions whatsoever. (answer this question please)

The coach, the federation, the nation care, but I'm talking about the players here. Those same players who had the CL knock-outs coming after the African Cup and the world cup later. In other words, for the star players this African Cup was just a distraction.

Drogba and Eto'o at the African Cup were as interested in playing as Zlatan is when he plays for Sweden against Malta or Kazakhstan.

If the Egyptian players were good, they'd have made it in Europe. Playing in a shitty domestic league can not always be an excuse. They'd have been bought by the European teams and trained properly. But for some reason they aren't.

 

[Fred]

The coach, the federation, the nation care, but I'm talking about the players here. Those same players who had the CL knock-outs coming after the African Cup and the world cup later. In other words, for the star players this African Cup was just a distraction.

Drogba and Eto'o at the African Cup were as interested in playing as Zlatan is when he plays for Sweden against Malta or Kazakhstan.

If the Egyptian players were good, they'd have made it in Europe. Playing in a shitty domestic league can not always be an excuse. They'd have been bought by the European teams and trained properly. But for some reason they aren't.

Not that i blame you at all for this, but this statement just shows how very little you know of Egyptian football. Let me just tell you this, if you play for Al-Ahli, there is no way in hell you would go to Europe(unless your a second rate player that they don't need).

We have countries like Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco that export players to Europe all the time. Those players are no better than their Egyptian counterparts. As a follower of Arab football, and i think all Arabs here will agree with me on this, Abo Trika is country miles ahead of any Arab player out there in the past decade. There has not been one player that has been half as good as him. Not even players who have made it in the big leagues, names you probably recognize like Ghezzal, Kharja, Meghni in the Serie A, not Belhadj, Yebda, Mido and Zaki from the EPL, not Naybet, Moha and Regragui from the Liga. Not even the great Chamakh that everyone here knows and rates.

Abo Trika could have easily made it in Europe, he is easily more talented and a better footballer than a lot of players that play for UEFA cup teams in Italy, England and Spain. But like i said, Al-Ahli do not let their players move to European teams(or any other team for that matter) only in very rare circumstances.


Also, i will say this again, the world does not revolve around Europe. You don't have to make it in Europe to be a good player.

 

[Fred]

oh and one more simple question Alen.

When did this phenomenon of African players not caring about the African Cup start?

 

[Alen]

Not that i blame you at all for this, but this statement just shows how very little you know of Egyptian football. Let me just tell you this, if you play for Al-Ahli, there is no way in hell you would go to Europe(unless your a second rate player that they don't need).

We have countries like Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco that export players to Europe all the time. Those players are no better than their Egyptian counterparts. As a follower of Arab football, and i think all Arabs here will agree with me on this, Abo Trika is country miles ahead of any Arab player out there in the past decade. There has not been one player that has been half as good as him. Not even players who have made it in the big leagues, names you probably recognize like Ghezzal, Kharja, Meghni in the Serie A, not Belhadj, Yebda, Mido and Zaki from the EPL, not Naybet, Moha and Regragui from the Liga. Not even the great Chamakh that everyone here knows and rates.

Abo Trika could have easily made it in Europe, he is easily more talented and a better footballer than a lot of players that play for UEFA cup teams in Italy, England and Spain. But like i said, Al-Ahli do not let their players move to European teams(or any other team for that matter) only in very rare circumstances.


Also, i will say this again, the world does not revolve around Europe. You don't have to make it in Europe to be a good player.

And if what you say is true, that automatically makes Egypt inferior to Croatia.
You said that in Egypt they don't train properly, players eat and do whatever they want and in general there is zero discipline.
We're not talking about sheer talent here. If they don't train properly, if they eat like pigs and if there is no discipline, then you can't compete with those professional football players who do do things properly.
Abo Trika can have all the talent in the world, but he'll never be as successful and famous as Gattuso.

You're really overrating the Arab teams, Fred.

 

[Alen]

oh and one more simple question Alen.

When did this phenomenon of African players not caring about the African Cup start?

Recently, after many Africans started playing for Europe's best clubs and they, like their clubs, got sick of playing some tournament in Africa every two years in the middle of the club season.
So I'd say 2006/2008.

 

[Alen]

I go to bed now

P.S: Egypt suck
As do Algeria, Tunisia and all the other Arab teams.

 

[Fred]

And if what you say is true, that automatically makes Egypt inferior to Croatia.
You said that in Egypt they don't train properly, players eat and do whatever they want and in general there is zero discipline.
We're not talking about sheer talent here. If they don't train properly, if they eat like pigs and if there is no discipline, then you can't compete with those professional football players who do do things properly.
Abo Trika can have all the talent in the world, but he'll never be as successful and famous as Gattuso.

You're really overrating the Arab teams, Fred.

In terms of players yes. But when its NT time, Egyptian players are forced to take it seriously, thats why like i said, in short tournaments like NT tournaments i'd bet on Egypt doing just as well if not better than Croatia. If NT football were like club football and it was over an extended period of time, i'd bet Egypt wouldn't even be close to Croatia.

 

[Fred]

I go to bed now

P.S: Egypt suck
As do Algeria, Tunisia and all the other Arab teams.

Ya me too, i have an exam in 5 hours :frown:

Oh and fuck you