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CL spot, YOU prefer?

  • Inter, I want the best thing for this league and Juve

  • Bayern, I can't support Inter and I want them to "choke"

  • I hate Inter. Stolen Scudetti, not a single Italian player, and I'll support anyone that plays again

  • You mean the Champions League has still been going on since December?


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JBF

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Aug 5, 2006
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Arguably, more competition for places would make the teams better.
Assumptions. Here's one, competition for places would make small countries give up on the WC qualification dream and hence blow up the competition you're calling for.
You haven't got any better despite having four and a half seats. There is a lot of money in Asian football, a lot of money is spent on the development of youngsters on academies on football schools, here in the gulf and also in countries like Japan, S.Korea etc.

But the fact remains, Asians still suck at football.
Im not denying that while you deny that the amount of improvement in their play is enormous. Just take a look at those countries 20-30 years ago and compare them to the current status. It's huge improvement by all means and FIFA does in fact realize that. Don't fuckin expect an Argentina or a Brazil same level teams here but talk about improvement which certainly is the biggest compared to all the other federations keeping in mind that professional football is also somewhat new in the continent with many countries experiencing that just 5-8 years ago and those were the first to do that too.

Add to that the fact that Australia is a new AFC member that added a new dimension to that federation without any new amount of seats being introduced to the federation.

And Im sure you'll be surprised this WC by teams like N.Korea and Australia.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
47,024
Europe, Africa and South America should organize their own Cup.
Now that will be a great tournament.

Maybe they should give one or two spots to the rest of the world so they could call it a world cup. Mexico should get a spot too and the rest of the world can fight in qualifiers for the final spot.

Lets make a petition and send it to FIFA :p
Hey, if America thinks it's okay to call their domestic baseball competition the World Series, I see no problem with this.
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
On a good day everyone can beat almost everyone.

But your point is still a valid one. Not qualifying for the WC doesn't mean that Croatia belongs to the "play off" group of European teams. Croatia is still among the best 10-12 European teams, where Slovenia or Slovakia still don't belong.
If the best 10-12 European teams always make past the qualifiers, then the teams that follow can easily be beaten by Egypt.

This Croatian squads only achievement was last European Cup when they reached the quarters though, how can you classify them so easily as one of the top ten European teams?
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
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Assumptions. Here's one, competition for places would make small countries give up on the WC qualification dream and hence blow up the competition you're calling for.

Im not denying that while you deny that the amount of improvement in their play is enormous. Just take a look at those countries 20-30 years ago and compare them to the current status. It's huge improvement by all means and FIFA does in fact realize that. Don't fuckin expect an Argentina or a Brazil same level teams here but talk about improvement which certainly is the biggest compared to all the other federations keeping in mind that professional football is also somewhat new in the continent with many countries experiencing that just 5-8 years ago and those were the first to do that too.

Add to that the fact that Australia is a new AFC member that added a new dimension to that federation without any new amount of seats being introduced to the federation.

And Im sure you'll be surprised this WC by teams like N.Korea and Australia.
I don't expect an Argentina or Brazil level team. I just want them to once, go to the world cup without getting humiliated by 3-4 sometimes even 8 goal margins. When was the last time an Asian team didn't get humiliated in a WC?

Oh and i won't be surprised by Australia, they aren't even supposed to be in Asia. They're a decent team nevertheless, its teams like Saudi Arabia(even though i like and support them) Iran and North Korea that make me laugh. In fact sometimes teams like UAE and Kuwait make it too. Needless to say they always get humiliated and go out early.
 

JBF

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Aug 5, 2006
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This Croatian squads only achievement was last European Cup when they reached the quarters though, how can you classify them so easily as one of the top ten European teams?
World Cup 98 come to mind :andyandbarcelona:
I don't expect an Argentina or Brazil level team. I just want them to once, go to the world cup without getting humiliated by 3-4 sometimes even 8 goal margins. When was the last time an Asian team didn't get humiliated in a WC?
Two words, South Korea.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,006
This Croatian squads only achievement was last European Cup when they reached the quarters though, how can you classify them so easily as one of the top ten European teams?
The current Serbian team's only achievement is qualifying for the world cup, but that doesn't mean that they too aren't one of the best in Europe currently.

I said that this Croatian team is among the best 10-12 in Europe right now, and it is.

Spain, Portugal, France, Holland, England, Germany and Italy are the traditional giants (well, Portual are among the giants in the last 10 years). 7 teams

The others change.
Russia, Ukrain, Serbia, Czech Republic, Romania, Ireland, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece, Turkey, Sweden, Denmark, Scotland, Norway.

I think that right now Croatia is among the best 3-5 from this list (excluding the top 7).
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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I've been following Japanese football for a while now, and even since the 90s they have made massive, massive improvements and could be a force if they concentrated slightly less on the technical aspect and more on the physical and mental side of the game. Technically they are superior to many sides in Europe, the northern European sides in particular, but they need more physically competitive players like Tulio Tanaka and to develope more clinical strikers, they are all small, skillful forwards akin to the problem that Portugal have had for many years.

People talk a lot about African teams possibly winning the World Cup soon, and that is because they see their players regularly as they have chances to play at the top level which improves them. Asian players don't have the same chances, they don't come through European systems like many African players, and there are relatively few European ties that African players benefit from.
 

The Curr

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Feb 3, 2007
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The current Serbian team's only achievement is qualifying for the world cup, but that doesn't mean that they too aren't one of the best in Europe currently.

I said that this Croatian team is among the best 10-12 in Europe right now, and it is.

Spain, Portugal, France, Holland, England, Germany and Italy are the traditional giants. 7 teams

The others change.
Russia, Ukrain, Serbia, Czech Republic, Romania, Ireland, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece, Turkey, Sweden, Denmark, Scotland, Norway.

I think that right now Croatia is among the best 3-5 from this list (excluding the top 7).
Seriously?
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
41,113
The current Serbian team's only achievement is qualifying for the world cup, but that doesn't mean that they too aren't one of the best in Europe currently.

I said that this Croatian team is among the best 10-12 in Europe right now, and it is.

Spain, Portugal, France, Holland, England, Germany and Italy are the traditional giants. 7 teams

The others change.
Russia, Ukrain, Serbia, Czech Republic, Romania, Ireland, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece, Turkey, Sweden, Denmark, Scotland, Norway.

I think that right now Croatia is among the best 3-5 from this list (excluding the top 7).

This Egyptian team(while i recognize that they are at the end of their careers unlike Croatia's younger team) have won the African Nations Cup three consecutive times, they are at the very least one of the top 3 African teams in the past few years. So tell me why is it so far fetched when i say i believe they are capable of beating Croatia.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,230
I want more play-offs between different qualifying areas.

If North Korea can beat Croatia, or whatever teams are in a play-off, I won't complain at them being at the World Cup.
But that's pretty much giving the spot to the Europeans as obviously over two legs they will have the upper hand over a side like North Korea. Perhaps not so much in a single match.

Didn't North Korea qualify as the number two from Asia? If so, then why should they have to play a knockout?

This just sounds like a European ploy to get more spots.
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
I've been following Japanese football for a while now, and even since the 90s they have made massive, massive improvements and could be a force if they concentrated slightly less on the technical aspect and more on the physical and mental side of the game. Technically they are superior to many sides in Europe, the northern European sides in particular, but they need more physically competitive players like Tulio Tanaka and to develope more clinical strikers, they are all small, skillful forwards akin to the problem that Portugal have had for many years.

People talk a lot about African teams possibly winning the World Cup soon, and that is because they see their players regularly as they have chances to play at the top level which improves them. Asian players don't have the same chances, they don't come through European systems like many African players, and there are relatively few European ties that African players benefit from.

Mate, Japan isn't even that better than West Asian teams like Saudi Arabia and Iran, let alone African teams. Japan while possibly being the best Asian team in the last decade, i feel gets a bit overrated sometimes, i don't regularly watch or follow Japanese football, but i do watch them play in the Asian Cup and i do watch them play in qualifiers whenever they play an Arab team. Did you watch them in the last Asian Cup? They were an ordinary team.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
54,006
This Egyptian team(while i recognize that they are at the end of their careers unlike Croatia's younger team) have won the African Nations Cup three consecutive times, they are at the very least one of the top 3 African teams in the past few years. So tell me why is it so far fetched when i say i believe they are capable of beating Croatia.
They can beat us. They beat Italy so why not Croatia.
But we are stronger.

If this generation was so good they'd have made at least one WC appearance. They're winning the African Cup only because the African star players, none of which is an Egyptian, don't even give a damn about that competition in the middle of the season.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
41,113
But that's pretty much giving the spot to the Europeans as obviously over two legs they will have the upper hand over a side like North Korea. Perhaps not so much in a single match.

Didn't North Korea qualify as the number two from Asia? If so, then why should they have to play a knockout?

This just sounds like a European ploy to get more spots.
Nope.

In Asia they play three rounds of qualifiers, in the third and final round there are only 10 teams remaining. They divide them into two groups of five. The first two qualify directly for the WC, while the two third placed teams play each other with the winner playing against the Oceania representative.

North Korea is a poor team, they're just well organized and have relatively good stamina levels. Nobody can beat them at their own ground which was an advantage for them. All they needed to do was top an off form Saudi team, which believe me isn't that hard to do.

They don't deserve to be in the WC.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,230
Nope.

In Asia they play three rounds of qualifiers, in the third and final round there are only 10 teams remaining. They divide them into two groups of five. The first two qualify directly for the WC, while the two third placed teams play each other with the winner playing against the Oceania representative.

North Korea is a poor team, they're just well organized and have relatively good stamina levels. Nobody can beat them at their own ground which was an advantage for them. All they needed to do was top an off form Saudi team, which believe me isn't that hard to do.

They don't deserve to be in the WC.
They qualified, did they not?

If so, then they deserve to be there, because they will be there.

I don't even like North Korea, but if they won through their own federation's qualification process, that's fair and square.
 
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