How an Amazonian tribe turned a missionary into an atheist (1 Viewer)
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What if he materialize Christian memorabilia that promotes Christian doctrine and at the same time lives a life that coincides within the teaching of Christ.
Or what if someone is a collector of rare coins or old cars, yet equally fulfills everything required of him by the teachings of Christ.
Or how about this one. My favorite. This guy lives in the woods, craps in holes, hunts his own food, basically lives of the land. He hasn't heard of Christ but somehow lives exactly to the beliefs written in the New Testament.
Which is the true Christian?
Or what if someone is a collector of rare coins or old cars, yet equally fulfills everything required of him by the teachings of Christ.
Or how about this one. My favorite. This guy lives in the woods, craps in holes, hunts his own food, basically lives of the land. He hasn't heard of Christ but somehow lives exactly to the beliefs written in the New Testament.
Which is the true Christian?
No I didn't say that. I used "or" not "and" so I'm referring to three different types of people. People who claim to be of [insert religion] yet behave in a different manner should not be categorized as religious imo. See that's the problem some of you have. If a Muslim goes and beheads someone then Islam is blamed and religion is blamed. When Bush goes and kills innocent Iraqi's and Afghan's, no one blames Democracy. Catch my drift?
Oh, you like opportunists and imperialists? You like it when a civil war breaks out in a third world country and gun manufacturers start selling their guns and ammo to them? You think it's fun to be ruled by foreign nations for hundreds of years?
Oh, you like opportunists and imperialists? You like it when a civil war breaks out in a third world country and gun manufacturers start selling their guns and ammo to them? You think it's fun to be ruled by foreign nations for hundreds of years?
When I say materialist I'm talking about the philosophical meaning. Not the practice of accumulating goods. Another word for that which I think is equivalent is "reductionist". Ie. everything reduces to fundamental particles.
Is someone who lives in accordance with Christianity automatically a Christian? I don't think so. I think you have to profess a belief in god.
Is someone who lives in accordance with Christianity automatically a Christian? I don't think so. I think you have to profess a belief in god.
Now how many philosophical materialists do you know?
Well yeah a belief in god is important, but my point is that no one can pick and chose "what is consider what" other than the individual. Especially in religion where there are so many sects, and separate doctrines. Even though they all tend to follow the same basic principles. There's no requirement to be "exactly" Christian.
Well yeah a belief in god is important, but my point is that no one can pick and chose "what is consider what" other than the individual. Especially in religion where there are so many sects, and separate doctrines. Even though they all tend to follow the same basic principles. There's no requirement to be "exactly" Christian.
You are missing the point here. Whether someone is religious or not is not for you to decide because you cannot examine people's convictions. You can very well say "this person doesn't live a religious life". But he can still claim to be religious, and you can't rationally deny that.
And, of course, the slippery slope of "living in accordance with religion" is very messy because religion has to be interpreted which gives everyone an opportunity to interpret however the hell he wants to.
You're right to make that criticism.
This has nothing to do with what I said. All I said was those people may very well feel religious.
And, of course, the slippery slope of "living in accordance with religion" is very messy because religion has to be interpreted which gives everyone an opportunity to interpret however the hell he wants to.
You're right to make that criticism.
This has nothing to do with what I said. All I said was those people may very well feel religious.
Whether you're a materialist or whatever doesn't matter if you're not a Christian. At least as far as being "godless". Or a fake christian or whatever we're talking about.
And if you say you believe the world is made of matter and don't profess a belief that God made that matter, then whether or not certain Christians have a problem with you doesn't matter either.
And if you say you believe the world is made of matter and don't profess a belief that God made that matter, then whether or not certain Christians have a problem with you doesn't matter either.
