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That's pretty much saying that bulking is about eating beyond your appetite demands. Your appetite is not directly related to your body's needs. There are severely obese people who eat more than their body needs them to but their appetite still isn't fulfilled. Bulking is not about eating beyond your appetite its eating beyond what your demands. Someone might eat 'mass' amounts of carbs and protein but as long as the body demands those quantities it isn't bulking. Bulking is a myth created that says if you eat a surplus amount of carbohydrates, fats, sugars and protein then you will benefit in the long term in the form increased muscle growth capacity.
You can't be super huge and lift like a monster and be super lean?
Ronnie Coleman leg presses over 2000 pounds, can bench press over 400 pounds and has 4% body fat. If Oggy said it 'best' then where is his evidence? Anyone can confidently make a random statement but without evidence its a load of horse shit.
You have been in the gym for a while? You worked with a lot of people? Ok bro I've been in the gym since I was 15 years old and have been taught by some of the leading experts on nutrition in Australia. Sure, I guess its ME who is blowing all the hot air.
You can't be super huge and lift like a monster and be super lean?
Ronnie Coleman leg presses over 2000 pounds, can bench press over 400 pounds and has 4% body fat. If Oggy said it 'best' then where is his evidence? Anyone can confidently make a random statement but without evidence its a load of horse shit. You have been in the gym for a while? You worked with a lot of people? Ok bro I've been in the gym since I was 15 years old and have been taught by some of the leading experts on nutrition in Australia. Sure, I guess its ME who is blowing all the hot air.
If you go to a gym ask someone to right you up a generic muscle building regime. I know you don't want mass so keep your rep limit around about 12-15 reps no higher IMO. Google 'interval training'.. that will get you ripped but you need to do both cardio and weight training on a regular basis. For example I'm planning get a little smaller but keep muscle definition so I'll be doing weight training 4 days a week and cardio 2-3 days a week. Cut down your carbohydrate and eat complex carbs for breakfast and lunch. Eat plenty of lean protein like chicken and fish. Get a whey protein powder with low or no sugar or carbohydrates and drink it directly after workouts. Don't rely on your protein powder though as a meal replacement.
Do those things and you will get ripped without being too big.
Do those things and you will get ripped without being too big.
ronnie coleman?? dude it really ends here.
yes biggest juice head and genetically blessed i am sure hes a great reference for any skinny guy trying to get bigger, i dont even know why i am wasting time with you, i mean you think benching 90 kees is a big deal 
for the last time when you push some serious weight we'll talk
for the last time when you push some serious weight we'll talk
I didn't want to sound like smartass but bringing Coleman into discussion is plain silly. The guy is obviously on steroids like every pro bodybuilder and it's silly to compare him to any regular guy. Also Coleman is not always at 4% of body fat, it would be almost impossible to stay at that level for whole year IMO. Those % are probably before competitions he takes.
I have a friend who turned pro, he was huge but fatty, now he is lean as hell, he's on roids too. Roids are great for pro's, they help you burn fat and build muscle, however I don't support guys taking them just to get bigger with no real goals. In other words, only pro's should take them at some level.
Also to make myself clear, I've never said I'm pro bulking or anti bulking guy, what I tried to say is that Dule's logic have some faults, or simply I don't agree with him on many things. My point is that gaining some fat while you're gaining muscles is not that bad, like Dule presents, and I'm 100% sure that you can gain more than 2kg's of lean muscle per year.
I have a friend who turned pro, he was huge but fatty, now he is lean as hell, he's on roids too. Roids are great for pro's, they help you burn fat and build muscle, however I don't support guys taking them just to get bigger with no real goals. In other words, only pro's should take them at some level.
Also to make myself clear, I've never said I'm pro bulking or anti bulking guy, what I tried to say is that Dule's logic have some faults, or simply I don't agree with him on many things. My point is that gaining some fat while you're gaining muscles is not that bad, like Dule presents, and I'm 100% sure that you can gain more than 2kg's of lean muscle per year.
I was saying how it's fat and not a lean muscle alone. Not bad? It's not bad if you want to look bigger, it is bad if you want to get leaner.
You can. Dunno if I said it's 2kg, but it's more like 4kg that's optimal. 2kg would maybe do it if you're skipping legs.
But yes, optimal lean muscle gained per year is around 4kg IIRC.
You can. Dunno if I said it's 2kg, but it's more like 4kg that's optimal. 2kg would maybe do it if you're skipping legs.
But yes, optimal lean muscle gained per year is around 4kg IIRC.
Yeah, but it's hard to determine did you gain only muscles, or muscles and fat. Also it's almost impossible to gain muscles and get ripped at the same time, those two are opposite of each other. That's why I mentioned roids, because they can help you to do that. Another thing is if you weigh 70-75kg's and 1.80cm tall, you're already lean, and it pointless to be leaner IMO. You will look like skinny muscular guy (žilavko da me bolje raumiješ 
) However it's a matter of taste.
I said two because I saw you posted that before, however I think you can gain more. It depends on many things, also depends where did you read it. What I mean is that you can bring 100 sources and all of them will tell you different, should you/I believe them? I don't know. What I know is that I will take those information with pinch of salt and not blindly believe in them.
Try different things and see what works best for you, and don't believe everything you read.
This is a little bit off-topic but the best work-out plan I did is OVT from Christian Thibadeau, google it and I'm 100% sure you're gonna like it I think it's everything you are looking for, be ripped and muscular
) However it's a matter of taste.I said two because I saw you posted that before, however I think you can gain more. It depends on many things, also depends where did you read it. What I mean is that you can bring 100 sources and all of them will tell you different, should you/I believe them? I don't know. What I know is that I will take those information with pinch of salt and not blindly believe in them.
Try different things and see what works best for you, and don't believe everything you read.
This is a little bit off-topic but the best work-out plan I did is OVT from Christian Thibadeau, google it and I'm 100% sure you're gonna like it
I think it's everything you are looking for, be ripped and muscular