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Group C

  • England

  • USA

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  • Slovenia


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JCK

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May 11, 2004
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    The conversation between juve2 and Andy is fantastic, that's a real World Cup discussion.
     

    Bjerknes

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    Mar 16, 2004
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    Are you sure? I always thought a serious foul play must be punished with a red card if it is violent. You must not play recklessly because you might injure other players even if you really don't intend it. I didn't see the incident today but here they were saying it should have been punished with a red. I don't know if their hatred for USA had clouded their judgment though :D
    It wasn't a red. If they were not going up for a header together, in-step, and Dempsey lashed out while shielding the ball, it would be a red. But not in this case.
     

    Red

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Are you sure? I always thought a serious foul play must be punished with a red card if it is violent. You must not play recklessly because you might injure other players even if you really don't intend it. I didn't see the incident today but here they were saying it should have been punished with a red. I don't know if their hatred for USA had clouded their judgment though :D
    I wasn't really speaking about the rules.

    I was just going by the practicality of it and how the ref's tend to judge it.

    As a person who spent years playing CB, and heading the ball being my main strength, I know that you need to raise your arms to get leverage when you jump. On countless occasions, I caught folk with elbows or got black eyes from strikers who I was jumping with, but none of it was anything more than accidental collisions.
     

    king Ale

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    Oct 28, 2004
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    It wasn't a red. If they were not going up for a header together, in-step, and Dempsey lashed out while shielding the ball, it would be a red. But not in this case.
    I don't know Andy, I didn't see it but I guess I can take your word because you are so objective when it comes to your national team :agree:

    I wasn't really speaking about the rules.

    I was just going by the practicality of it and how the ref's tend to judge it.

    As a person who spent years playing CB, and heading the ball being my main strength, I know that you need to raise your arms to get leverage when you jump. On countless occasions, I caught folk with elbows or got black eyes from strikers who I was jumping with, but none of it was anything more than accidental collisions.
    What's your take on De Rossi' red card against the US? Do you think it was intentional?
     

    king Ale

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    Oct 28, 2004
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    Well, don't believe me then. I won't answer questions in the future.
    I meant it.

    I saw you not complaining about the ref today, blaming your own players for not winning the game so I guessed, as much as you are biased overall when it comes to football talks, you are so objective about your own national team.
     

    Enron

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    Oct 11, 2005
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    I am honest and I say that the goal for 3-2 should have stood, but the americans are too pround and self centered too see things they should have been punished for.

    10 against 11 we would have destroy you, but the way the game went 2-2 is a fair result.
    That wasn't even a yellow card foul. Demspey went a little high with the arm, but he beat the player to the ball and didn't make hard contact. The Slovenian player made a meal of it and his team completely overreacted.

    Truth of the matter is from the get go, the match was dictated by the USA. Slovenia barely possessed the ball and had to wait for US mistakes to score their two goals. Which were both brilliant.

    The main problem for the US was their lack of movement in the first half. No one was running to space and checking to, so the defense and Torres had no one to pass to. Our carelessness on the ball was disgusting at times.

    Saying that you would destroy us 10-11 or whatever is ridiculous. You're team's strength is being physical, playing defense, and scoring on the counter. Slovenia don't have the players to pick apart a defense.

    This referee was atrocious. The call against Findley was horrible, so now he's out against Algieria. There were several 50-50 balls that were called in Slovenia's favor simply because the Slovenian player needed a good cry and a hand hold from the manager before he could manage to "pick himself up".

    Saying the US were cheaters is a dumb thing to say because it's simply not true. It would be better to say we were poor at times in the match, but at times we were very good. The same way I can say Slovenia's midfield was bad, but their defense and forwards were very good. It's what we call a fair take of the match.
     

    Gustav

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    That wasn't even a yellow card foul. Demspey went a little high with the arm, but he beat the player to the ball and didn't make hard contact. The Slovenian player made a meal of it and his team completely overreacted.
    Are you sure you watched the game?
     

    Enron

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    Oct 11, 2005
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    Are you sure? I always thought a serious foul play must be punished with a red card if it is violent. You must not play recklessly because you might injure other players even if you really don't intend it. I didn't see the incident today but here they were saying it should have been punished with a red. I don't know if their hatred for USA had clouded their judgment though :D
    Yes. I used to be a referee. And was fairly prone to giving cards. Used to lead tourneys I reffed at in reds and yellows given.

    That wasn't either. Dempsey beat the player to the ball and won the header. However, he flailed his arms and made contact with the Slovenia. So a foul was given. Unfortunatley the Slovenians mistook it for a Russian invasion and rushed the field making the molehill into an imaginary mountain.

    A card on any foul is referee discretion.
     

    Enron

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    I think it was at least a booking. Another ref would've sent him off(and rightfully so).
    Why because he won the ball, but accidentally caught the other player in the head?

    In the first minute of the match, theirs no intent. Dempsey couldn't have meant to foul the player. I can see how a referee would pull a yellow.

    Sending off Demspey would have been as terrible a call as the one at the end was.
     

    hudick

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    Sep 18, 2006
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    I'm a bit disappointed but still we managed to draw agains USA. 2 million agains 300 million. Well done Slovenia!!:tup:

    We were better in first haff, but the "McDonalds" guyz were better in the second half, so the resut 2:2 is fair.
     

    hudick

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    Sep 18, 2006
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    Who's the player "in the hole"(behind the striker) or Slovenia?
    We played 4-4-2 so i don't know which player do you think was behind the striker. But i'm sure you meant Valter Birsa, our right winger, who was definitively our best man beside Handanovič!!
     

    Enron

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    We played 4-4-2 so i don't know which player do you think was behind the striker. But i'm sure you meant Valter Birsa, our right winger, who was definitively our best man beside Handanovič!!
    He looked to be moving centrally a bunch. But I was really impressed with him.

    Handonovic always impresses me. Except on the Donovan goal. :D
     

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