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.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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That wasn't my point. I meant 2 more years in a Juve shirt where he can actually produce some numbers instead of just shoving his Chievo and Palermo days up my face, maybe you should wait and see what he can do with a good team.
trez was damn good thats why he signed for a good team.

why then was amauri signed to a good team when he was 28? i think his productivity/potential had to play some role in that scenario. 28 is when a player is well in his prime and once you turn 30 is where you are entering the twilight of your career. the disposition of your logic is that because amauri played for lower teams makes it excusable to pardon him from aging and somehow extends his evaluation period with juve. while david is proven because his talent and potential earned him a spot on a big team.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Ofcourse, I can't prove anything, this is just my opinion, just like you can't prove anything to me. I haven't forgotten what Trez has done for us, I love him for that but I don't think he'll get anymore playing time next season and that's why I think we should just let him go considering that he only does have a couple of seasons left in him if he's lucky.
Saying he won't get much time next year is an assumption. Trezeguet's record as a goal-scorer speaks for itself.

And I don't think you're understanding something here -- there's no reason to give Trezeguet away if we can't get a decent sum of money for him. There is no point in selling him for 5M, especially when the player has more seasons left in him. It's not like we're looking to sell Zidane here.

But don't you think that it is time to start building, not just for the now, but for the future, Andy??

Even if it isn't Rossi, eventually there will be a dire need for a second striker on this team in the next couple of years, to say the least.
Of course I want to build for the future, but I want to build the fucking goddamn defense up first, because that's the area of the game that hurts us the most, not the strikeforce. We have enough strikers already, but what do we do? Look for strikers, get a freebie in a finished Cannavaro, and basically call it day on the defense. Secco even said that since we signed Cannavaro, we don't need to look at Tasci. It's ridiculous.

We need an RB for the future, a Chiellini partner for the future, and an LB for the future. Yes, we will need strikers in the future of course, but Amauri, Iaquinta, Del Piero and Trezeguet all have years left in them. And considering the players we have, we may only need to field one of them at a time.

So to me, it's more important to build the team from the back instead of backwards from the front. The problems exist in the defense, not the strikers, so that's what should be dealt with FIRST.


I'm not for selling Trez because I WANT HIM TO GO, I just see it as the move that makes the most sense
It doesn't make any sense when other clubs only evaluate the player to be worth 5M.
 
Jun 13, 2007
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Of course, but the point is that there is no particular proof that says Trez won't make a comeback. And if he does (there's if again) he's the best striker we have (no if).

It's my view that you model your strategy after the players you have, so if you have a goalscorer like Trez you're extremely wasteful (to say it nicely) if you can't exploit that. What's more, I can't comprehend that people would be blessed with one of the best strikers in the club's history and still complain that he doesn't do this, he doesn't do that.
The conflict here is between the past and the present. You ( Trez-boys ) don't seem to want to wake up and smell the thorns already. All one-dimensional strikers like Trez simply do not exist in the big teams of Europe. It's not just a freak coincidence either. The game is really changing and if want to survive, we just have to adapt to the situation as quickly as possible.

We need to buy strikers that can potentially replace Del piero such as G.Rossi. Alex's days with Juve are numbered and once he can't play the way he used to, we don't have a replacement for him and that is really what worries me. And when you look at it, Rossi and Cassano are the only two players who can marginally close that creative gap. Even more so Rossi since he's younger, and has a much better attitude it seems.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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The conflict here is between the past and the present. You ( Trez-boys ) don't seem to want to wake up and smell the thorns already. All one-dimensional strikers like Trez simply do not exist in the big teams of Europe. It's not just a freak coincidence either. The game is really changing and if want to survive, we just have to adapt to the situation as quickly as possible.

We need to buy strikers that can potentially replace Del piero such as G.Rossi. Alex's days with Juve are numbered and once he can't play the way he used to, we don't have a replacement for him and that is really what worries me. And when you look at it, Rossi and Cassano are the only two players who can marginally close that creative gap. Even more so Rossi since he's younger, and has a much better attitude it seems.
So the game is changing, but Trez can still score 20 goals in one season. Is that not good enough for a striker? How exactly is this "evolution" of the game incompatible with 20 goals per season?
 
Jun 13, 2007
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You mean he didn't prevent Giovinco from getting a chance to play? Yeah, sure he didn't. Half the forum was screaming about it all season.
We couldn't offload him because if we did, Gio would have been our only left winger. What if he got injured or wasn't up to it, it's a lot of unwanted pressure on one player.

The situation now is not even close to that. Trez is getting in the way of real genuine improvement in the quality of this team for years to come if he stays.

Our starters for next season are probably Alex and Amauri. If you think otherwise, then let me tell you, you're in for a big surprise.
 
Sep 1, 2002
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I'd like Rossi, from the possibilities open to Juve.
I'd give them Amauri for him.
I'd prefer Villa, but let's stay in the real.
I can live without Rossi though, and not lose any sleep though.
I think Amauri will plop this season.
I would like to see a winger join Juve: Silva.
I'd like a decent attacking/defending left back.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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We couldn't offload him because if we did, Gio would have been our only left winger. What if he got injured or wasn't up to it, it's a lot of unwanted pressure on one player.

The situation now is not even close to that. Trez is getting in the way of real genuine improvement in the quality of this team for years to come if he stays.

Our starters for next season are probably Alex and Amauri. If you think otherwise, then let me tell you, you're in for a big surprise.
You liberally assume that Rossi is better than Trez. "A great talent". You know who else was "a great talent"? Miccoli, Palladino, Giovinco. None of whom have done anything to go from a great talent to a great player. If Rossi is so great he'll still be alive next year. Meanwhile I prefer to keep a great player.

No, I've already had my big surprise which is seeing some people's judgment of Trez on this forum.
 
Sep 1, 2002
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We couldn't offload him because if we did, Gio would have been our only left winger. What if he got injured or wasn't up to it, it's a lot of unwanted pressure on one player.

The situation now is not even close to that. Trez is getting in the way of real genuine improvement in the quality of this team for years to come if he stays.

Our starters for next season are probably Alex and Amauri. If you think otherwise, then let me tell you, you're in for a big surprise.
Yeh, 20 odd goals would really damage them.

Have you been eating daft pudding?
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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Really now Martin, I understand defending Trez, but you not only are you downplaying Rossi's abilities, but also taking about Gio in past tense in saying "was a great talent". I mean, Palladino is not even half of their talent, he was nothing but pure hype based on him being young and from our academy, NOTHING ELSE, never showed anything performance wise, Rossi and Gio has, and Rossi is clearly better then Miccoli, I mean seriously, cant get more obvious.
 

juve901

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Jul 8, 2008
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anywaysss.... all this trez and amauri talk is getting old. are we really arguing the logistics behind handing over trez for a 22-23 yr old with an estimated 10+ years of playing time ahead of him, who's best performing years are ahead of him, and whom may be a future player of year - and be so in a black & white shirt?
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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Really now Martin, I understand defending Trez, but you not only are you downplaying Rossi's abilities, but also taking about Gio in past tense in saying "was a great talent". I mean, Palladino is not even half of their talent, he was nothing but pure hype based on him being young and from our academy, NOTHING ELSE, never showed anything performance wise, Rossi and Gio has, and Rossi is clearly better then Miccoli, I mean seriously, cant get more obvious.
Of course he is, Rossi is the most likely yet to actually become a great player based on Villarreal. But let's get real here, hype is permanent in this business and hype doesn't prove a thing.

So far Rossi isn't even equal to Iaquinta let alone Trez. The rest is pure hype, speculation, wishful thinking. It'd be one thing to say let's replace Trez with Villa. Villa is superb, definitely a worthy successor. But some kid who's had a couple of good seasons and everyone hopes will be the next star because Italy desperately needs one? Please. I wouldn't even sell Amauri for Rossi.
 
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