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You cant overpay on a free deal. Tevez and Vidal didnt come for free and he certainly didnt over pay there. If anything he cut a great deal. Its not like the wages were hefty either. The Matri sale was for a good price.
He has his hits and his misses. You cant seriously defend a claim that he ALWAYS OVERPAYS and UNDERSELLS. There are plenty of examples that go against that.
He has his hits and his misses. You cant seriously defend a claim that he ALWAYS OVERPAYS and UNDERSELLS. There are plenty of examples that go against that.
Giovinco wasnt gotten back from loan, do you even TRY to attempt to make sense? Why would anyone pay to get back a loaned player? Sold half of him and bought it back after its value increased by triple after excellent performances.
And some cold hard reality for you, current starting eleven, give or take some figures, Marrotta's purchases bolded (+transfer fees):
48m in total for players he bought that make up almost our entire first eleven.
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Now please repeat that bolded bit in your post again, I dare you.
And I say this all as someone who has been critizicing and questionning Marrotta for most of the last 3 years...
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I even forgot he signed Bonucci in his first summer in charge. Add that bargain price to the overall value of the first eleven
And some cold hard reality for you, current starting eleven, give or take some figures, Marrotta's purchases bolded (+transfer fees):
Buffon
Barzagli (300k) - Bonucci - Chiellini
Lichtsteiner (10m) - Vidal (10m) - Pirlo 0m) - Pogba (300k+1m to agent ) - Asamoah (18m)
Llorente (0m) - Tevez (9m)
Barzagli (300k) - Bonucci - Chiellini
Lichtsteiner (10m) - Vidal (10m) - Pirlo 0m) - Pogba (300k+1m to agent ) - Asamoah (18m)
Llorente (0m) - Tevez (9m)
48m in total for players he bought that make up almost our entire first eleven.
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Now please repeat that bolded bit in your post again, I dare you.
And I say this all as someone who has been critizicing and questionning Marrotta for most of the last 3 years...
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I even forgot he signed Bonucci in his first summer in charge. Add that bargain price to the overall value of the first eleven
Giovinco wasnt gotten back from loan, do you even TRY to attempt to make sense? Why would anyone pay to get back a loaned player? Sold half of him and bought it back after its value increased by triple after excellent performances.
And some cold hard reality for you, current starting eleven, give or take some figures, Marrotta's purchases bolded (+transfer fees):
48m in total for players he bought that make up almost our entire first eleven.
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Now please repeat that bolded bit in your post again, I dare you.
And I say this all as someone who has been critizicing and questionning Marrotta for most of the last 3 years...
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I even forgot he signed Bonucci in his first summer in charge. Add that bargain price to the overall value of the first eleven
And some cold hard reality for you, current starting eleven, give or take some figures, Marrotta's purchases bolded (+transfer fees):
Buffon
Barzagli (300k) - Bonucci - Chiellini
Lichtsteiner (10m) - Vidal (10m) - Pirlo 0m) - Pogba (300k+1m to agent ) - Asamoah (18m)
Llorente (0m) - Tevez (9m)
Barzagli (300k) - Bonucci - Chiellini
Lichtsteiner (10m) - Vidal (10m) - Pirlo 0m) - Pogba (300k+1m to agent ) - Asamoah (18m)
Llorente (0m) - Tevez (9m)
48m in total for players he bought that make up almost our entire first eleven.
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Now please repeat that bolded bit in your post again, I dare you.
And I say this all as someone who has been critizicing and questionning Marrotta for most of the last 3 years...
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I even forgot he signed Bonucci in his first summer in charge. Add that bargain price to the overall value of the first eleven
Lichty: Singed from Lazio, none of the big sides from other leagues wanted him.
Vidal: Stated several times he only wanted Juve.
Pirlo: Old player, no other big club wanted him.
Pogba: Marrotta's best signing and nothing will ever top that one.
Asamoah: Meh.
Llorente: Good signing, but no other big sides were interested.
Tevez: Player on his last legs, none of the bigger sides wanted him.
Apart from Pogba, he signed players that wanted to sign for us. Big deal.
So the players that other big sides are interested in, do they go to those clubs because of the GM's exceptional negotiation skills? Or do the clubs throw a shit load of cash at them? What do you want Marotta to do to compete with the big clubs?
It should be seen as a merit to sign players like Licht who apparently had no big club interest. Shows that he's got foresight that other clubs didn't have.
It should be seen as a merit to sign players like Licht who apparently had no big club interest. Shows that he's got foresight that other clubs didn't have.
That's what sets great GM's apart from average ones. Moggi was like that, signing the likes of Vieira and Emerson, targets for the other big clubs. He didn't have a big budget to deal with but still signed great players. Marotta only signs good players in which the competition to sign is minimal. So that's why it's not impressive, sorry.
He way overpaid for Emerson. And Vieira was a player in decline... Kinda like Pirlo, except we are getting great use out of Pirlo, and he was free, unlike Vieira. Did other big clubs really want Vieira? Maybe, but I don't remember that.
All the great players Moggi signed, he paid heavy for. The only one I can think of where he probably had to beat other clubs for was Zlatan.
Besides, Moggi is no more. What great GMs are there in the world that you wish worked at Juve instead of Marotta?
All the great players Moggi signed, he paid heavy for. The only one I can think of where he probably had to beat other clubs for was Zlatan.
Besides, Moggi is no more. What great GMs are there in the world that you wish worked at Juve instead of Marotta?
Emerson was bought for like 15 million Euros and Matteo Brighi, or something like that. How was that overpaying? The guy did well under an absolutely retarded coach. He wasn't used properly and Capello probably expected him to be Veron or something.
Vieira was wanted by several clubs, including Real Madrid and Miami Heat.
Vieira was wanted by several clubs, including Real Madrid and Miami Heat.
Lies. You haven't seen Barzagli in Bundeliga, nor are you probably aware of him being important part of a title winning team.
You could also say that only Marotta recognized potential that those players had; surely 32 yo had plenty of question marks considering the season he had (injuries, lack of playing time...), while Licht for those who watch Serie A games was always rather excellent FB and fortunately we snatched him.
Meh? That was another brilliant signing. We have one of the best LWBs in the world atm, and even better midfielder if it comes to that.
Another lie. Real among few others were interested, but Juve offered better terms and the deal was struck beforehand, similar to Lewa and Bayern.
And?
Almost 100k posts, but most of those scream with impudent ignorance. Whenever I see you post around here I have some morbid curiosity to see what kind of bs you're going to utter.
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You could also say that only Marotta recognized potential that those players had; surely 32 yo had plenty of question marks considering the season he had (injuries, lack of playing time...), while Licht for those who watch Serie A games was always rather excellent FB and fortunately we snatched him.
Meh? That was another brilliant signing. We have one of the best LWBs in the world atm, and even better midfielder if it comes to that.
Another lie. Real among few others were interested, but Juve offered better terms and the deal was struck beforehand, similar to Lewa and Bayern.
And?
Almost 100k posts, but most of those scream with impudent ignorance. Whenever I see you post around here I have some morbid curiosity to see what kind of bs you're going to utter.
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“Giampiero Ventura was convinced he could do well here and I have a proposal for Juve: they should leave him with Toro for another year,” Cairo told La Stampa newspaper.
“It is a choice that will suit the lad, because he’s happy with us, and suits Juventus because another season like this will send his price-tag through the roof.
“If Beppe Marotta were to say no, then I’d go to a blind auction. It’s not an option that I like, but I am not the type to hold back.”
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This is neither first nor the last time he got slapped by the small teams of Serie A.
“It is a choice that will suit the lad, because he’s happy with us, and suits Juventus because another season like this will send his price-tag through the roof.
“If Beppe Marotta were to say no, then I’d go to a blind auction. It’s not an option that I like, but I am not the type to hold back.”
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This is neither first nor the last time he got slapped by the small teams of Serie A.
About the Barza deal, I watched Wolfsburg's games back then, (mainly bcuz of our strong link with a Djeko deal) and Barza, Kjaer were an appalling sight to see, I highly doubt any top club would've wanted him. So it certainly was more probable for him to suck than to succeed. But I must say with the price Marotta got him, it was a minor gamble; and that characterizes Marotta (Along with the bargain hunt approach). He loves this kinda (relatively) low risk gambles (Pirlo, Barza), if they pay off, he'll be showered in praises, if they blow, not much at risk.The claim we arguing against here is that Marotta ALWAYS overpays and Undersells and that was already demonstrated as false.
I dont get what you mean in the bolded part though. I have yet to see a GM sign a player to a club that the player didnt want to sign for. What does that even mean? If Marotta convinced a player that Juve was the best place for him and the player wanted to come then Marotta gets no credit? Did Moggi bring Viera and Ibra and the likes against their wishes?
Also moggi did have a big budget compared to what we have now and there werent as many mega rich teams in every league buying half a dozen of players every summer competing for the same players back then. Also Juve had much more appeal because the club was wealthier, could afford top drawer wages and Serie A was seen as equal if not better than the EPL.
I have no doubt moggi was the better GM but Marotta isnt doing a bad job at all so far.
I dont get what you mean in the bolded part though. I have yet to see a GM sign a player to a club that the player didnt want to sign for. What does that even mean? If Marotta convinced a player that Juve was the best place for him and the player wanted to come then Marotta gets no credit? Did Moggi bring Viera and Ibra and the likes against their wishes?
Also moggi did have a big budget compared to what we have now and there werent as many mega rich teams in every league buying half a dozen of players every summer competing for the same players back then. Also Juve had much more appeal because the club was wealthier, could afford top drawer wages and Serie A was seen as equal if not better than the EPL.
I have no doubt moggi was the better GM but Marotta isnt doing a bad job at all so far.