Giuseppe Marotta (168 Viewers)

[Xperd]

Whatever you say,i hope he signs for us because soon you will be worshiping him day in day out.

 

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[Klin]

Whatever you say,i hope he signs for us because soon you will be worshiping him day in day out.

We'll see.

 

[baggio]

Just read in a Swedish newspaper that Marotta is about to lose his job since Agnelli is doubting his competence and Nedved is to take his place? Also there is some kinda war going on?

It will be really stupid if this happens.

 

[Fint]

1000 pages dedicated to the great man, rejoice brothers @Jem83 @Nzoric @Zacheryah @JuveJay @Klin @Bianconero_Aus

 

[piotrr]

1000

 

[Badass J Elkann]

The business piotrr

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Remember when we finished 7th in Marrotta's first season here? That must've been Del Neri's fault. And had we finished 7 again, it would've been it would've been down to Conte's inexperience. It is laughable really that some people would defend this guy no matter what. He has FAILED miserably at certain facets in his tenure, and it wouldn't make you any less of a rational human being to admit that. Which you almost never do, sadly, but whatever.

Are you really criticizing others for not being rational?

And what's the fixation (not just you, more like 90% of the people it seems) with assigning everything to one single person. I thought Juve was a team of people fighting for results. But I was wrong, since every little achievement or failure can obviously be contributed to a single person, whether that is Conte, Marotta, Agnelli or a player.

Ah, the steadfast refusal of so many to acknowledge the middle ground.

Marvellous.

It's a sight to behold.

Even more entertaining is how a majority of the people are unwilling to see the bigger picture, but rather focus on individual details.

his contract is yet to be renewed, the board and elkann have voiced reservations about our recruiting strategy. these are tantrums too?

Why does this keep coming up?

L'Assemblea ha inoltre determinato in 10 il numero dei componenti del Consiglio di Amministrazione per gli eserci 2012/2013, 2013/2014 e 2014/2015, nominando amministratori Andrea Agnelli, ... Giuseppe Marotta, ....

http://www.juventus.com/wps/wcm/con...&CACHEID=9a6399f5-8fa9-451f-9d57-e91f5ed1c398

 

[Zacheryah]

1000

 

[piotrr]

The business piotrr

'Better to be someone for a day than no one for a lifetime.' Epic movie

 

[Cronios]

He deserves some credit for a few things, but many massively overrate his achievements and give him credit for things he didn't have all that much to do with like hiring Conte (Agnelli) and getting the finances back in check (Agnelli again). He still managed to waste at least 100m on countless bad, useless and unwanted transfers and so far has failed to show he can get a club from great/very good to top level due to his obvious lack of decisiveness and ability when signing top foreign players. Conte still probably could have won the 2 scudetti with a worse squad. In my opinion, Marotta hasn't done anything spectacular. His work can be described as 'solid' imo.

I give Marotta credit for these things:
Reducing wages from 2010
Some good transfers which seemed to be all on him with no 'help'/luck involved - Licht, Asamoah, Bonucci, Storari and Pepe
Promoting youth and signing some promising (?) youth players

Bad things:
Wasting money on bad transfers like Elia, Martinez etc etc
Inability to sell players, and in the few times he has he massively undersold them.
Overpaying for transfers - goes with money wasting
Indecisiveness in the market - look what that got us.. $#@!ing Bendtner FFS
Still hasn't signed a true LB/LWB and so far no 'top player' despite mentioning it himself 1000 times. Hopefully that will change.. Tevez :xfinger:

Well said!

 

[Mr Chocolate]

1000

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[Badass J Elkann]

'Better to be someone for a day than no one for a lifetime.' Epic movie

Such a poorly made movie if you ask me

 

[icemaη]

His work SO FAR has been positive, and this is not just coming from an ex-Society member. This Summer should be make or break for him though.

 

[ZoSo]

Well said!

 

[piotrr]

Such a poorly made movie if you ask me

Maybe it's poorly made but i love the atmosphere and soundtrack was just ideal. Love it or hate it

 

[JuveJay]

He deserves some credit for a few things, but many massively overrate his achievements and give him credit for things he didn't have all that much to do with like hiring Conte (Agnelli) and getting the finances back in check (Agnelli again).

Who do you suppose hired Delneri and Marotta? Also, do you think this decision isn't put across the entire BOD, of which Marotta is CEO? The same BOD who determine financial strategy? After all, if Marotta was taking transfer advice from forum members we wouldn't have any financial stability to talk about.

As Buck said, apportioning things to one person to suit an argument isn't very wise. That goes for everything, including positive transfers, bad transfers, and salaries given.

He still managed to waste at least 100m on countless bad, useless and unwanted transfers

We can count them, these are the undeniably bad transfers from his spell:

Salaries before tax.

Martinez €12m fee, €3.5m salary (paid 1.5 years [1 year Juventus/½ Cesena salary]) €17.25m
Bendtner €0 fee, €3.5m salary (paid 1 year) €3.5m
Anelka €0 fee, €1.4m salary for 6 months €1.4m
Motta €5m fee, €3.5m salary (paid 1.5 years) €10.25m
Traoré €0 fee, €1.1m salary (paid 1 year) €1.1m
Rinaudo €0 fee, €1.75m salary (paid 1 year) €1.75m
Elia €9m fee, €4.6m salary (paid 1 year) €13.6m
Pazienza €0 fee, €1.8m salary (paid 6 months) €0.9m
Toni €0 fee, €4m salary (paid 1 year) €4m
Ziegler €0 fee, €2.3m salary (paid 0 months) €0
Lúcio €0 fee, €4.6m salary (paid 6 months) €2.3m
Krasić €15m fee, €4m salary (paid 2 years) €23m

Total: €61.8m

Deduce:

Krasić to Fenerbahce €7m
Elia to Werder Bremen €5.5m
Pazienza to Udinese loan €0.3m
Pazienza to Bologna €0.5m
Ziegler to Fenerbahce loan €0.6m
Ziegler to Fenerbahce loan €0.3m

Grand total: €47.6m

Feel free to throw in a lot of additional subjective choices as bad transfers.

and so far has failed to show he can get a club from great/very good to top level due to his obvious lack of decisiveness and ability when signing top foreign players.

I don't even know what this means? Are you saying we should be amongst the Bayern's, Barcelona's right now?

 

[Vlad]

Martinez €12m fee, €3.5m salary (paid 1.5 years [1 year Juventus/½ Cesena salary]) €17.25m
Bendtner €0 fee, €3.5m salary (paid 1 year) €3.5m
Anelka €0 fee, €1.4m salary for 6 months €1.4m
Motta €5m fee, €3.5m salary (paid 1.5 years) €10.25m
Traoré €0 fee, €1.1m salary (paid 1 year) €1.1m
Rinaudo €0 fee, €1.75m salary (paid 1 year) €1.75m
Elia €9m fee, €4.6m salary (paid 1 year) €13.6m
Pazienza €0 fee, €1.8m salary (paid 6 months) €0.9m
Toni €0 fee, €4m salary (paid 1 year) €4m
Ziegler €0 fee, €2.3m salary (paid 0 months) €0
Lúcio €0 fee, €4.6m salary (paid 6 months) €2.3m
Krasić €15m fee, €4m salary (paid 2 years) €23m

Total: €61.8m

Deduce:

Krasić to Fenerbahce €7m
Elia to Werder Bremen €5.5m
Pazienza to Udinese loan €0.3m
Pazienza to Bologna €0.5m
Ziegler to Fenerbahce loan €0.6m
Ziegler to Fenerbahce loan €0.3m

Grand total: €47.6m

Difference is even less if you count in amortization of some of the players. Krasic for example was valued in our books around 13M year after and so on. And adding wages can go in both ways. You can count in how much we saved for offloading them using the same logic.

 

[JuveJay]

I didn't want to go too much into that as it can appear quite complicated.

I didn't count offloaded wages as I wanted to base it on what they did in their time at Juventus. Bad transfers not being value for money, so that cost being classed as a 'waste'.

 

[IrishZebra]

We've spent enough Money...

We should have added €140m in value, meaning not counting Chiellini or Buffon or any other pre-Marotta players.

Vidal - 30m (I wouldn't take less)
Bonnucci - 15m
Barzagli -10m
Pogba- 20m
Pirlo- 7m
Vucinic - 20m
Lichtsteiner - 25m
Asamoah - 15m?


In Business terms, he's clearly doing a good job.

Those are conservative estimates, Marotta has not detracted value, for 140m net spend, the squad has increase more than 140m in value.

 

[Zacheryah]

One thing that i notice in this thread is.

Negative minded people, state some vague or incomplete facts

Positive minded people, have finance based facts, that are complete, and cannot be contradicted, as illustrated by juvejay and zebra above.



I'll add one more thing. This is a business, "saving up money" is actually VERY BAD. Why, cause of taxes. Its allways better to invest money, primarly because of taxes.