In the unlikely event that this happens, I think it would be because of Conte not seeing eye to eye with Beppe on certain key moves. But still it's ridiculous if it happens.
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My point was that I don't find it surprising that the biggest deals a club makes often involve the big men in the clubs. Florentino does the same, as would Rosell etc.
Management had to totally redesign the squad, I think with Iaquinta gone this summer, the senior team will have completely rid itself of Secco/Blanc purchases. You've included three younger players which don't really belong to the discussion about the quality of the squad currently, and you might have missed out a couple of others like Lúcio.
Can you answer the question of how much it would take to rebuild a squad (of essentially Buffon/Chiellini/Marchisio/Del Piero) to the level of this Juve?
Management had to totally redesign the squad, I think with Iaquinta gone this summer, the senior team will have completely rid itself of Secco/Blanc purchases. You've included three younger players which don't really belong to the discussion about the quality of the squad currently, and you might have missed out a couple of others like Lúcio.
Can you answer the question of how much it would take to rebuild a squad (of essentially Buffon/Chiellini/Marchisio/Del Piero) to the level of this Juve?
Like I said its not entirely wrong for the president to be involved. Was only linking Agnelli's presence off late vis a vis the last season and the one before.
This is where I disagree. That squad didn't really have to be redesigned in its entirety. In fact, for me, Marrotta was most careless in his first year, at a time that we assumed we were in financial trouble and burdened by the lack of success. That team, for my money, needed two full backs and two quality wingers over all else. Especially since Del Neri was an exponent of the 442.
We spent 25m on Krasic and Pepe to cover the right wing. And 12m on a shot in the dark Martinez for the left, where Marchisio eventually played all season. Both the strikers that came that season (Quag in the summer, and Matri in the winter) for a combined 33m, were arguably panic buys. And truth be told, Diego and Trezeguet staying wouldn't have hurt us. I don't think we prirotised, and no squad can gel or imbibe a club's philosophy when there are on average 12 new players coming through the doors every season. I don't disagree with lowering the squad's age or wage structure, but that process is gradual, it can't happen overnight. Evolution for me is key. Not revolution. Take away the 3 youth players and you're still on about a staggering 36 players over 3 seasons. Conservatively speaking, that's way too many for a big club.
Marrotta's second season at the club was his best mercato to date.
Interestingly, you'll notice the likes of who you mention have had a certain longevity at the club. Despite all the money that we have spent, I can't see any of the players offer us this kind of life span. So you cant really say what it would cost, because the only type of players that will offer you a decade of loyalty today are those who'll come through youth ranks, and they cost nothing till their wages escalate.
Wage being another inflated component in the modern era and seeing the direction our club is choosing to take, i dont think building the new Juve would cost as much as we are more likely to create stars than buy them. And seeing that we spent under 12m for those who are perhaps the most key to our cause, just goes to show that it's not just who you're spending on, but how you're prirotizing those spends. On the other side of that coin, a 30m rated player is not necessarily a bad thing keeping in mind the commercial requirements of a club trying to be more market savvy - I for one, am more than happy if we went out there and got ourselves our version of El Sharaaway. I'd like to ask you though, if you're of the belief that this money we have spent has helped us successfully rebuild the squad to the level you mention or close to it?
If we'd prirotised better, I think that 200m would have a bit more quality to show for it.
This is where I disagree. That squad didn't really have to be redesigned in its entirety. In fact, for me, Marrotta was most careless in his first year, at a time that we assumed we were in financial trouble and burdened by the lack of success. That team, for my money, needed two full backs and two quality wingers over all else. Especially since Del Neri was an exponent of the 442.
We spent 25m on Krasic and Pepe to cover the right wing. And 12m on a shot in the dark Martinez for the left, where Marchisio eventually played all season. Both the strikers that came that season (Quag in the summer, and Matri in the winter) for a combined 33m, were arguably panic buys. And truth be told, Diego and Trezeguet staying wouldn't have hurt us. I don't think we prirotised, and no squad can gel or imbibe a club's philosophy when there are on average 12 new players coming through the doors every season. I don't disagree with lowering the squad's age or wage structure, but that process is gradual, it can't happen overnight. Evolution for me is key. Not revolution. Take away the 3 youth players and you're still on about a staggering 36 players over 3 seasons. Conservatively speaking, that's way too many for a big club.
Marrotta's second season at the club was his best mercato to date.
Interestingly, you'll notice the likes of who you mention have had a certain longevity at the club. Despite all the money that we have spent, I can't see any of the players offer us this kind of life span. So you cant really say what it would cost, because the only type of players that will offer you a decade of loyalty today are those who'll come through youth ranks, and they cost nothing till their wages escalate.
Wage being another inflated component in the modern era and seeing the direction our club is choosing to take, i dont think building the new Juve would cost as much as we are more likely to create stars than buy them. And seeing that we spent under 12m for those who are perhaps the most key to our cause, just goes to show that it's not just who you're spending on, but how you're prirotizing those spends. On the other side of that coin, a 30m rated player is not necessarily a bad thing keeping in mind the commercial requirements of a club trying to be more market savvy - I for one, am more than happy if we went out there and got ourselves our version of El Sharaaway. I'd like to ask you though, if you're of the belief that this money we have spent has helped us successfully rebuild the squad to the level you mention or close to it?
If we'd prirotised better, I think that 200m would have a bit more quality to show for it.
Lets be honest here, this society thing that me, Jem, Nzoric etc have going was only intended for the purpose of giving some balance in this debate for his abilities as a GM - he receives an insanely ridiculous amount of criticism for real or imagined "failures".
We all know his weaknesses as a GM and he has fucked up a few times with some transfers (Martinez and Bendtner in particular) but those who blindly hate everything he does and rarely give him the credit he deserves are the true blind ones on here.
In terms of the objectives set out to him as a sporting director, he hasn't failed. Total opposite infact. Can we and should we improve even more and strive for better players that can challenge in Europe and keep up the domination Italy? Of course.
We all know his weaknesses as a GM and he has fucked up a few times with some transfers (Martinez and Bendtner in particular) but those who blindly hate everything he does and rarely give him the credit he deserves are the true blind ones on here.
In terms of the objectives set out to him as a sporting director, he hasn't failed. Total opposite infact. Can we and should we improve even more and strive for better players that can challenge in Europe and keep up the domination Italy? Of course.
He deserves some credit for a few things, but many massively overrate his achievements and give him credit for things he didn't have all that much to do with like hiring Conte (Agnelli) and getting the finances back in check (Agnelli again). He still managed to waste at least 100m on countless bad, useless and unwanted transfers and so far has failed to show he can get a club from great/very good to top level due to his obvious lack of decisiveness and ability when signing top foreign players. Conte still probably could have won the 2 scudetti with a worse squad. In my opinion, Marotta hasn't done anything spectacular. His work can be described as 'solid' imo.
I give Marotta credit for these things:
Reducing wages from 2010
Some good transfers which seemed to be all on him with no 'help'/luck involved - Licht, Asamoah, Bonucci, Storari and Pepe
Promoting youth and signing some promising (?) youth players
Bad things:
Wasting money on bad transfers like Elia, Martinez etc etc
Inability to sell players, and in the few times he has he massively undersold them.
Overpaying for transfers - goes with money wasting
Indecisiveness in the market - look what that got us.. fucking Bendtner FFS
Still hasn't signed a true LB/LWB and so far no 'top player' despite mentioning it himself 1000 times. Hopefully that will change.. Tevez :xfinger:
I give Marotta credit for these things:
Reducing wages from 2010
Some good transfers which seemed to be all on him with no 'help'/luck involved - Licht, Asamoah, Bonucci, Storari and Pepe
Promoting youth and signing some promising (?) youth players
Bad things:
Wasting money on bad transfers like Elia, Martinez etc etc
Inability to sell players, and in the few times he has he massively undersold them.
Overpaying for transfers - goes with money wasting
Indecisiveness in the market - look what that got us.. fucking Bendtner FFS
Still hasn't signed a true LB/LWB and so far no 'top player' despite mentioning it himself 1000 times. Hopefully that will change.. Tevez :xfinger:
fair enough view. Really, the main priority is another top striker/SS upfront. That's all he needs to get for me to say it's been a successful mercato. If we don't have this player by the time September 1 rolls around, then it won't have been a successful mercato IMO and big questions should be asked of him. Our team is pretty much stacked everywhere else...well maybe besides LWB, but that can wait for another window.
See? We can be balanced. Try it some time.
fair enough view. Really, the main priority is another top striker/SS upfront. That's all he needs to get, for me to day it's been a successful mercato. Our team is pretty much stacked everywhere else. Well maybe besides LWB, but that can wait for another window.
Higuain and Zuniga this season though.
