Giuseppe Marotta (76 Viewers)

[Zacheryah]

I read a few things in this topic, that i havent tought about yet, and further supports marotta's cause.

Mainly the exor part, it further suggests marotta can only spend so much on a single player.


I think from financial point of view, our mercato was very good. Asamoah and possibly Isla are direct starters in the 3-5-2, the first one showing very good things so far, immediatly claiming a starting spot.
Giovinco, we payd alot, but considering his exponential rise in form... half this forum would spend 30 mil for a player to do that dribble he did there. that second goal was oozing class.

we definatly got a team that will finish top2, hence without injuries and burnouts, no one can take the scudetto away from us.

In CL, its the first year. I think tacchinardi and some other juve icon said that, our team lacks the expirience for it, and they will learn alot this year. Its a realistic aim to get our of groupstages. we'll see it from there. and this squat certainly is up to that task.

 

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[baggio]

@JuveJay: Assuming this is the case, personal situations changing atna club. Falling down the hierarchy or falling out with management. Do you not think that there will be other challengers waiting to take advantage of such a situation too? The same ones we avoid going into a bidding war with. What's to say, for eg, that if Dzeko is available at 25m, we will go all in in a head to head with Bayern who wanted him earlier? Very unlikely we'll pursue the situation and not 'enter the bidding war'. Also given that its the one area that completes the team, I'd like to think, against Marrotta's abilities, we do enter a bidding war, and convince them player of the project. Who is going to be paying the salary that we consider to be the issue as things stand today? The philosophy may have to change a little coz seeing our spends across three years, it's not about resources.

Ps: sorry about the grammatical mistakes, pad is playing up.

 

[JuveJay]

@JuveJay: Assuming this is the case, personal situations changing atna club. Falling down the hierarchy or falling out with management. Do you not think that there will be other challengers waiting to take advantage of such a situation too? The same ones we avoid going into a bidding war with. What's to say, for eg, that if Dzeko is available at 25m, we will go all in in a head to head with Bayern who wanted him earlier? Very unlikely we'll pursue the situation and not 'enter the bidding war'. Also given that its the one area that completes the team, I'd like to think, against Marrotta's abilities, we do enter a bidding war, and convince them player of the project. Who is going to be paying the salary that we consider to be the issue as things stand today? The philosophy may have to change a little coz seeing our spends across three years, it's not about resources.

Ps: sorry about the grammatical mistakes, pad is playing up.

Didn't get the mention but assumed you would be replying to me

There may well be other clubs interested, but when I say 'conditions' it encompasses all of the things you are speaking about. For example, why would Bayern bid for Dzeko when they have Gomez and Mandzukic? If I look at that deal objectively, considering how financially poor the rest of Serie A is and Dzeko's previous keen words for Italian football, I'd say we are one of the frontrunners. That's just an example, possibly won't happen that way but could if the conditions are right. Alternately we could just throw €25m-€28m at him as the bulk of our mercato and Man City snatch our hand off. We don't know.

If we go into bidding wars (against wealthier teams) then I don't see us signing a player, but not all will or have gone to bidding wars.

 

[Nzoric]

Good posting by Juvejay

 

[Cronios]

After 3 years there are no ifs anymore and no more maybes, we now know Marotta's limits.
You can debate if Juve is also limited as low as him, you can be distrought by his RVP talks and the unrealistic expectations, but the fact remains though, that we cant even secure a Klose/Pazzini class, which definitly within, Juve's and serie A's reach...

 

[The Arif]

And how do you, Mr "I know everything", know that we can't secure a "Klose/Pazzini class"?

 

[baggio]

Didn't get the mention but assumed you would be replying to me

There may well be other clubs interested, but when I say 'conditions' it encompasses all of the things you are speaking about. For example, why would Bayern bid for Dzeko when they have Gomez and Mandzukic? If I look at that deal objectively, considering how financially poor the rest of Serie A is and Dzeko's previous keen words for Italian football, I'd say we are one of the frontrunners. That's just an example, possibly won't happen that way but could if the conditions are right. Alternately we could just throw €25m-€28m at him as the bulk of our mercato and Man City snatch our hand off. We don't know.

If we go into bidding wars (against wealthier teams) then I don't see us signing a player, but not all will or have gone to bidding wars.

Bayern being only an example because of their prior alleged interest. They did eventually sign Madnzukic like you said. My point is and remains, that if there are conditions the market will throw up, or not throw up, and there are conditions which we have created for ourselves to operate within, until these conditions don't find a middle ground, we are never going to get our targets, especially if they exist outside of italy. The only situations unlikely to go to a bidding war where there's a continental level player, is the will of the player to sign for us, but again, seeing aerie a and it's state, its another reason why we will anyway being paying against the odds, as we would've this season.

 

[Cronios]

And how do you, Mr "I know everything", know that we can't secure a "Klose/Pazzini class"?

Because we are strugglng for almost a year now and the best we did is Boriello and Bendovner...
How i knew that before them? I was paying attention to what Ahmed ignored...

 

[The Arif]

Because we are strugglng for almost a year now and the best we did is Boriello and Bendovner...
How i knew that before them? I was paying attention to what Ahmed ignored...

Give me one example where we failed to secure a Klose/Pazzini class.

 

[Trequartista]

Impossible to like Marotta.

Yeah, no doubt.

We should hire Cronios in his stead.

 

[Nzoric]

Yeah, no doubt.

We should hire Cronios in his stead.

It might be because I'm an "apologist" but I really like Marotta. The guy gives honest interviews and it's refreshing to see in modern football. The post Udinese interview where he openly doubted the red card is so rare, imagine any of the other presidents in Italy going out after a game and raising questions regarding an incident where they profited.

 

[Trequartista]

It might be because I'm an "apologist" but I really like Marotta. The guy gives honest interviews and it's refreshing to see in modern football. The post Udinese interview where he openly doubted the red card is so rare, imagine any of the other presidents in Italy going out after a game and raising questions regarding an incident where they profited.

Same here, I like Beppe too.

 

[Raz]

After 3 years there are no ifs anymore and no more maybes, we now know Marotta's limits.
You can debate if Juve is also limited as low as him, you can be distrought by his RVP talks and the unrealistic expectations, but the fact remains though, that we cant even secure a Klose/Pazzini class, which definitly within, Juve's and serie A's reach...

But Cronios, we have secured quite a few players above Pazzini's class, just not in the striker departement, well actually we got Vuci too, so your argument holds no ground.

 

[Klin]

Impossible to like Marotta.

Impossible to like you too, yet we still have to live with you being around.

After 3 years there are no ifs anymore and no more maybes, we now know Marotta's limits.
You can debate if Juve is also limited as low as him, you can be distrought by his RVP talks and the unrealistic expectations, but the fact remains though, that we cant even secure a Klose/Pazzini class, which definitly within, Juve's and serie A's reach...

Same as this one.

 

[1251alex]

After 3 years there are no ifs anymore and no more maybes, we now know Marotta's limits.
You can debate if Juve is also limited as low as him, you can be distrought by his RVP talks and the unrealistic expectations, but the fact remains though, that we cant even secure a Klose/Pazzini class, which definitly within, Juve's and serie A's reach...

not sure if serious...if Marotta would have bought that you would have complained about how he was appeasing the nationalists. lol.

 

[Klin]

not sure if serious...if Marotta would have bought that you would have complained about how he was appeasing the nationalists. lol.

You should have known by now that whatever Beppe does, it's not good for some members. Only true fans such as themselves understands what's good for this club and with only such people we can progress to being one of the best again.

 

[1251alex]

You should have known by now that whatever Beppe does, it's not good for some members. Only true fans such as themselves understands what's good for this club and with only such people we can progress to being one of the best again.

that or hes a master troll.

 

[napoleonic]

people saying giovinco goal oozes class after 1 goal against 10 men udinese? wtf dude... you like a new fans who never watch players like alex, zizou, nedved, ibra in juve before

no! such 1 goal and his performance so far haven't justified even a 11 million buy price, let alone for only half of his contract

But Cronios, we have secured quite a few players above Pazzini's class, just not in the striker departement, well actually we got Vuci too, so your argument holds no ground.

people must understand that attacking oriented players will always rated higher than defense oriented players, say if you have to choose between to buy nesta or ronaldo for $60 millions or between buffon vs zidane, which one will you choose? I don't know about you but majority will choose ronaldo over nesta and zidane over buffon.

 

[RAMI-N]

people saying giovinco goal oozes class after 1 goal against 10 men udinese? wtf dude... you like a new fans who never watch players like alex, zizou, nedved, ibra in juve before

no! such 1 goal and his performance so far haven't justified even a 11 million buy price, let alone for only half of his contract

Are you sure?

 

[Cronios]

Give me one example where we failed to secure a Klose/Pazzini class.

I ll give you two:
-Boriello
-Bendovnersmth...

But Cronios, we have secured quite a few players above Pazzini's class, just not in the striker departement, well actually we got Vuci too, so your argument holds no ground.

True that we did in other departments, mostly CMs and SSs, why? I dont know, a fetish perhaps? Maybe...

I believe that these two positions have an abundance of choices and its very easy to find open players, opportunty targets as i call them, players that can be hooked with minimal negotiative effort, due to various facts, the most important being is less competition and risks.

But if we have to pick the target and not let fate pick him up for us, we are struggling, this is proved by some certain issues that have been haunting for ages, particularly the LB, RB and after Treze, the CF as well.
We have been struggling for ages to find a match there, but we keep failing.
This is where we should focus, everyone, even Secco can buy a Diego, if given enough money to waste upon, but few can snif out the young Falcao, Suarez, Cavani etc.
We are incompetent in every sector, our scouters fail to find them before competition does, our transfer director fail to lure them and our owners cannot overpay for the best.

One of these 3 elements should be improved, i would be happy with any of it, but i keep seeing us interested after talents, AFTER lesser teams are already after them, our transfer director overpaing for lesser players and cannot sell nothing close 50% of his value and our board adimitting that it cannot compete in bid wars.

We either settle with medioctrity, or find better transfer manager and scouters...

not sure if serious...if Marotta would have bought that you would have complained about how he was appeasing the nationalists. lol.

We were nationalists anyway and still are but thankfully in a lesser degree.
I said in Pazzini's thread, i would prefer him to another SS and most of the available Italian options, like Borriello and Gila.
Esp there was a Quaq-Pazz swap, we would not lose much funds and would have a better balance in our squad, regarding CF-finishers/ SS-dribblers.
This was not an optimal solution, but it was the least, the least, we ought to do, we have been searching for such a target man since November, it is anacceptable not find one, at least of this class!!

IMO, a Juventus class team, could find a Klose/Pazzini class CF even at x-mas, we are not talking Higuain/RVP class here, not even Dzeko/Llorente,
but merely a Klose one...
And after such a humiliating failure of Borriello and the empty excuses that followed, Marotta hyped up the expectations, in order to make those excuses more credible.
But here we are again, wasting a whole summer and still failing to find anything near Pazzini/Klose class, none of the ussual excuses hold any water anymore, we are now champions, have more cash than the other Italian teams and participate in CL.

So the Marotta apologist can only follow one excuse, the blame serie A now...
But how come the other serie A teams without all these advantages, can find better CFs and we cant?