Giuseppe Marotta (137 Viewers)
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people saying giovinco goal oozes class after 1 goal against 10 men udinese? 
wtf dude... you like a new fans who never watch players like alex, zizou, nedved, ibra in juve before
no! such 1 goal and his performance so far haven't justified even a 11 million buy price, let alone for only half of his contract
people must understand that attacking oriented players will always rated higher than defense oriented players, say if you have to choose between to buy nesta or ronaldo for $60 millions or between buffon vs zidane, which one will you choose? I don't know about you but majority will choose ronaldo over nesta and zidane over buffon.
wtf dude... you like a new fans who never watch players like alex, zizou, nedved, ibra in juve before no! such 1 goal and his performance so far haven't justified even a 11 million buy price, let alone for only half of his contract
people must understand that attacking oriented players will always rated higher than defense oriented players, say if you have to choose between to buy nesta or ronaldo for $60 millions or between buffon vs zidane, which one will you choose? I don't know about you but majority will choose ronaldo over nesta and zidane over buffon.
Personally, in Gio´s case im not counting the chicken before the eggs hatch.... but u have to give him time man. He IS talented, he has flair,,,he has poaching instincs, he can dribble , assist and take freekicks.
Whats to hate?
How does it not classifies as failing to secure a Klose/Pazzini and making a compromise?
Are you claiming that those two are at the same level, or God forbid, better??
Hopefully not! I gave two reasons, as two transfer windows failing to secure such a player, the least
and beeing forced to a very low level compromise...
these two players we got are a proof of that double failure, failed once and proof is Boriello, failed twice and proof is Bendtner...
Are you claiming that those two are at the same level, or God forbid, better??
Hopefully not! I gave two reasons, as two transfer windows failing to secure such a player, the least
and beeing forced to a very low level compromise...
these two players we got are a proof of that double failure, failed once and proof is Boriello, failed twice and proof is Bendtner...
Whatever player i may name, (check those transfer thread rumours) can be debated and mislead the discussion.
But what it cannot be debated is that the world wide market always have available (even the ones beyond Marotta's short sight) such a name and we keep failing too secure one, for some odd reason.
So the availability is there, (for ex, Pazzinis availability was there this summer), the ammount to sign him was there, (proven by the fact of the ammount paid for non primary targets). The prestige and championship level (serie A), even the CL participation was not an issue for them and yet, the only common reason to our failures, Marotta's incompetence, was enough to make the difference...
But what it cannot be debated is that the world wide market always have available (even the ones beyond Marotta's short sight) such a name and we keep failing too secure one, for some odd reason.
So the availability is there, (for ex, Pazzinis availability was there this summer), the ammount to sign him was there, (proven by the fact of the ammount paid for non primary targets). The prestige and championship level (serie A), even the CL participation was not an issue for them and yet, the only common reason to our failures, Marotta's incompetence, was enough to make the difference...
see, typical behavior, whatever i name, you may say that we were not interested/not good enough/ not realistic etc.
Still this is not an excuse for not signing any of them though.
Why were we not interested?? Who's fault is for wasting our time with unrealistic and unavialable targets?
Boriello's and Bartntenders presence is proof enough for that being a mistake!
Marotta should know what he cant and what he cant buy and make the optimal choice, he failed that twice whatever the reason is, it is his fault, as such a player was within reach, available, obtainable and a better choice than the one Marotta made...
Juventus can do better than Borriello and the likes of him, Marotta obviously cant, i am not asking for RVPs, never did, actually i said from day one that it is a waste of time, Marotta ought to know better, with him of the ecquation, we may upgrade somewhere between his Borriellos and the Pazzinis we can have...
Maybe not Dzekos, but still better than the Bedtenders
Still this is not an excuse for not signing any of them though.
Why were we not interested?? Who's fault is for wasting our time with unrealistic and unavialable targets?
Boriello's and Bartntenders presence is proof enough for that being a mistake!
Marotta should know what he cant and what he cant buy and make the optimal choice, he failed that twice whatever the reason is, it is his fault, as such a player was within reach, available, obtainable and a better choice than the one Marotta made...
Juventus can do better than Borriello and the likes of him, Marotta obviously cant, i am not asking for RVPs, never did, actually i said from day one that it is a waste of time, Marotta ought to know better, with him of the ecquation, we may upgrade somewhere between his Borriellos and the Pazzinis we can have...
Maybe not Dzekos, but still better than the Bedtenders
I think Pazzini was Marotta's backup option if he couldn't get the 'top player'.
The problem was, though, I believe, that Marotta wrongly assumed no-one else would move for Pazzini and Juve would be able to take him in the last couple of days of the window.
Not signing Pazzini is my only major criticism of Marotta's dealing over the summer.
The problem was, though, I believe, that Marotta wrongly assumed no-one else would move for Pazzini and Juve would be able to take him in the last couple of days of the window.
Not signing Pazzini is my only major criticism of Marotta's dealing over the summer.
Not sure what you meant with the bolded part, but whatever. You are blaming Marotta for failing to secure a certain class of a player we weren't after in the first place. If you go by that logic, we failed to secure an Iniesta class of midfielder, even when we needed a backup CM and we got that. You can blame him for failing to secure a WC CB, when we needed a backup CB and we got that. You can blame him for failing to secure a WC goalkeeper, when we needed a third keeper and we got that. What you can blame him for, though, is failing to secure a WC striker, which is what we needed and were promised to, but not for players we weren't after in the first place.
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Could be true, but it's not like we made any real move for Pazzini and failed to do so.
Our priorities were the places we lack players worthy to wear our starter material.
After Conte's quick fixes in our defense, as a team, we struggled the most at finishing our chances.
At this transfer window we had the opportunity to fix our major weakness and do smth about the minor issues Conte was forced to compromise from elsewhere.
Our weakest points where the Borriello,
Bonucci's blunders
and DC's consistency.
With Pogba and Maronee we could add the needed depth, Lucio was brought as a viable alternative until Bonucci matures.
So the finisher and the left wing back were our main concerns.
Asamoah becomes avialable, an opportunity target, fine player, but we already have 3 quality starters and the depth we need, yet he goes and commits 35mil for a CM sub and an injured RCM.
11 mil to repair the mistake he did with Giovinco, 10 more mil to yet another young SS, just to loan him out...
Seriously?? What we needed and what we got? Red s prolly right, it could be as he thinks or not, but regardless of what Marotta was thinking (if anything) he has failed us! Again... he should have known what he can buy and what he couldnt, there really was plenty of time to secure a Pazzini, while Marotta was just waiting for yet another opportunity target to appear...
All the other teams were smarter to conclude their deals before we did and we ended up with Bendter, whos fault is that, regardless of the reason??
And of course as Conte realised that Marotta will fail for the 3 consecutive season to find a LB/LWB, he tried Asamoah and it worked better as quickfix than any of our available options there and since he was in exceed as a CM, he made the natural choice.
Still thats doesnt justify Marotta's failure to get the appropriate tools though...
Conte will tweak us and he will find a way to make us work, regardless of the obstacles Marotta's is throwing at us.
Other coaches would have rank us 7th, as we have seen twice and we should not so easily forget...
After Conte's quick fixes in our defense, as a team, we struggled the most at finishing our chances.
At this transfer window we had the opportunity to fix our major weakness and do smth about the minor issues Conte was forced to compromise from elsewhere.
Our weakest points where the Borriello,
Bonucci's blunders
and DC's consistency.
With Pogba and Maronee we could add the needed depth, Lucio was brought as a viable alternative until Bonucci matures.
So the finisher and the left wing back were our main concerns.
Asamoah becomes avialable, an opportunity target, fine player, but we already have 3 quality starters and the depth we need, yet he goes and commits 35mil for a CM sub and an injured RCM.
11 mil to repair the mistake he did with Giovinco, 10 more mil to yet another young SS, just to loan him out...
Seriously?? What we needed and what we got? Red s prolly right, it could be as he thinks or not, but regardless of what Marotta was thinking (if anything) he has failed us! Again... he should have known what he can buy and what he couldnt, there really was plenty of time to secure a Pazzini, while Marotta was just waiting for yet another opportunity target to appear...
All the other teams were smarter to conclude their deals before we did and we ended up with Bendter, whos fault is that, regardless of the reason??
And of course as Conte realised that Marotta will fail for the 3 consecutive season to find a LB/LWB, he tried Asamoah and it worked better as quickfix than any of our available options there and since he was in exceed as a CM, he made the natural choice.
Still thats doesnt justify Marotta's failure to get the appropriate tools though...
Conte will tweak us and he will find a way to make us work, regardless of the obstacles Marotta's is throwing at us.
Other coaches would have rank us 7th, as we have seen twice and we should not so easily forget...
This. First you say that Marotta is to blame for failing to secure us a Pazzini/Klose class and then you say we need someone worthy to be our starting player, someone who would be able to finish our chances. So your pick for that is Pazzini/Klose class? LOL.
As for Giovinco, I don't think loaning him out was a mistake in the first place.
OH! MY! GOD!
Do yoou read anything anybody else writes? How hard is it to understand that Isla is NOT a central midfielder, that Asamoah was needed to cover the midfield positions (and even better now that he's great as LWB) and that Giovinco's coownership cost us around 7 mil €, for which we got a player worth 20 million, which we wouldnt have got without the coownership!!!
Do yoou read anything anybody else writes? How hard is it to understand that Isla is NOT a central midfielder, that Asamoah was needed to cover the midfield positions (and even better now that he's great as LWB) and that Giovinco's coownership cost us around 7 mil €, for which we got a player worth 20 million, which we wouldnt have got without the coownership!!!
Imo our team is great. We're a bit short in attack with just Giovinco and Vucinic worthy playing at the moment, but I wouldn't swap Asamoah and Isla for a 'top striker' tbh. It seems like none of those wanted to come nor we could afford them, so yeah I prefer Asa + Isla instead of another horribly overpaid striker. If we couldn't get any of those who were our targets it's good we didn't spend big in a panic buy. Also I don't think we'll spend big on a striker next year. It could happen if Cavani or Jovetic became available but even then we'd lose in an auction to some City or PSG. I'm sure we'll strengthen our attack, but I don't expect big names. If we continue to qualify to the CL in a few years in a row, only then I can see us affording some big-money transfer.
