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The purchases we made so far guarantee that we will be at least as good as last season. There was a big probability that our players weren't gonna go for the 2nd time in a row through an injury-less season. In a year with possibly 10 more matches, some of them really hard, we weren't gonna be as good as last season if we didn't make the buys that we made. Now we have a player who can give us Mirko's creativity, we have a player who can safely replace Vidal and Claudio without the team feeling the absence of a starter in CM. We have an even superior RWB to the ones we had already. If we add Lucio, there is a very solid option in case of a CB injury. Our depth is actually amazing. At least three players and at least two great/very good ones for every position, bar a couple of positions - the CF and LB/LWB position. Rarely a team has quality everywhere so I won't be surprised at all if we just go with PDC, Caceres and Giorgio for the LB/LWB.
That's why I expect a big change and addition only in the CF department. Perhaps two or three other additions for depth, but not necessarily. The CF position though is where we will act and our mercato will be finished, as far as the incoming transfers are concerned.
That's why I expect a big change and addition only in the CF department. Perhaps two or three other additions for depth, but not necessarily. The CF position though is where we will act and our mercato will be finished, as far as the incoming transfers are concerned.
If I'm not wrong so far we have....
Giovinco 11m
Caceres 8m
Isla 7.5m
Asamoah 7.5m
Giaccherini 4.25m
Leali 4m
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Sold: Ekdal for 1.2m
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total = 37.05m eur
We have these guys to sell or get rid of for free: Felipe Melo, Krasic, Elia, Pazienza, Motta, Martinez, Ziegler, Iaquinta
We're looking at Lucio for free and Estigarribia's status is yet to be decided.
If we somehow manage to earn 25m eur from sales, which is imo achievable even if Marotta is giving guys like Melo, Krasic and Elia for peanuts, you will realize that we're only in 12m eur minus and we should definitely have money at least for a +20m eur CF. And if that guy comes we might actually sell one of Matri/Quag so we might even go for a LB after that.
Giovinco 11m
Caceres 8m
Isla 7.5m
Asamoah 7.5m
Giaccherini 4.25m
Leali 4m
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Sold: Ekdal for 1.2m
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total = 37.05m eur
We have these guys to sell or get rid of for free: Felipe Melo, Krasic, Elia, Pazienza, Motta, Martinez, Ziegler, Iaquinta
We're looking at Lucio for free and Estigarribia's status is yet to be decided.
If we somehow manage to earn 25m eur from sales, which is imo achievable even if Marotta is giving guys like Melo, Krasic and Elia for peanuts, you will realize that we're only in 12m eur minus and we should definitely have money at least for a +20m eur CF. And if that guy comes we might actually sell one of Matri/Quag so we might even go for a LB after that.
Come on, we went through this million times 
It doesn't matter because this summer we are paying an installment for Vucinic's transfer, or for Vidal's transfer etc. These 11m are money we count for this summer, even if it's paid in three yearly installments.
It doesn't matter because this summer we are paying an installment for Vucinic's transfer, or for Vidal's transfer etc. These 11m are money we count for this summer, even if it's paid in three yearly installments.
With all due respect Alen, but thats faulty calculation and you know it.
You will either calculate the full comitted sums, or you must co-calculate ALL the installments we will pay this year, from past transfers.
Which is nearly impossible to be done correctly by us, IMO.
So unless we calculate Matri's, Vucinic etc, installments to this year's transfer budget, we cannot ignore the fact of the full ammount we have commited to some of the transfers are quite double than the one you mentioned there...
So i d rather say that we have commited about +30mil on Asamoah+Isla, in the same fassion we did with Quaq, Motta, Giacche and Caceres in previous years.
15mil on Giovinco and Leali.
Soon 5 more on that young forward, 10-15 on Pogba+Veratti = roughly 60-65mil
No reason to calculate Caceres, Giacche etc, as the sums were comitted in previous transfer budgets.
Hopefully we will make at least 20-25 mil income from transfers this season. And we will consider the 15mil investment on those youngsters as extra budget, due to our special status. But i doubt that we can spend over 30-35mil, as a total for the remaining transfers...and that only after a succesful straw of sales, a department Marotta really sucks...
I de like you to help us with a statistic, that i consider very useful on this matter.
In the past 6 years, how much money we spend in the summer transfer window, as an average, without considering the income from sales?
From your past calculations, it seemed to be about 55mil net+the income from sales.
If this pattern is confirmed we might have a good idea of what to expect this year, after the sales are concluded.
At any case, no matter how we calculate it, we know that this year we have already commited about 45mil already, without considering those incoming 3 youngsters. But we still made no real profit from the dead wood yet.
You will either calculate the full comitted sums, or you must co-calculate ALL the installments we will pay this year, from past transfers.
Which is nearly impossible to be done correctly by us, IMO.
So unless we calculate Matri's, Vucinic etc, installments to this year's transfer budget, we cannot ignore the fact of the full ammount we have commited to some of the transfers are quite double than the one you mentioned there...
So i d rather say that we have commited about +30mil on Asamoah+Isla, in the same fassion we did with Quaq, Motta, Giacche and Caceres in previous years.
15mil on Giovinco and Leali.
Soon 5 more on that young forward, 10-15 on Pogba+Veratti = roughly 60-65mil
No reason to calculate Caceres, Giacche etc, as the sums were comitted in previous transfer budgets.
Hopefully we will make at least 20-25 mil income from transfers this season. And we will consider the 15mil investment on those youngsters as extra budget, due to our special status. But i doubt that we can spend over 30-35mil, as a total for the remaining transfers...and that only after a succesful straw of sales, a department Marotta really sucks...
I de like you to help us with a statistic, that i consider very useful on this matter.
In the past 6 years, how much money we spend in the summer transfer window, as an average, without considering the income from sales?
From your past calculations, it seemed to be about 55mil net+the income from sales.
If this pattern is confirmed we might have a good idea of what to expect this year, after the sales are concluded.
At any case, no matter how we calculate it, we know that this year we have already commited about 45mil already, without considering those incoming 3 youngsters. But we still made no real profit from the dead wood yet.
Its the truth, we cannot ignore the fact, that we will pay Matri and Vucinic installments this year and only calculate the installments of this year's budget for the new transfers.
And since we will surely miss someone's installments from past years, in such an effort, lets keep it safe and calculate the full comitted sums of this years transfers.
Over time, this board had a consistent strategy of comitting sums in every transfer window.
By studying the past, we can have a decent idea of what to expect for the future.
And since we will surely miss someone's installments from past years, in such an effort, lets keep it safe and calculate the full comitted sums of this years transfers.
Over time, this board had a consistent strategy of comitting sums in every transfer window.
By studying the past, we can have a decent idea of what to expect for the future.
You are wrong Cron.
We can't calculate the full sum of Isla and Asamoah because they are co-owns and we don't know if we will decide to buy them at all next summer. We are calculating them as co-ownerships, because that's what they are. If we sell Melo's half tomorrow for 7m eur to Inter, with the right to buy him for additional 7m eur next year, we won't count it that we received 14m eur, we count it as 7m eur which will SURELY arrive on our account.
Kinda like Caceres and Giaccherini. We got them last season with rights to buy, but we didn't count those 8m eur for Caceres and 4.25m eur for Giac in last year's budget. We count them in this summer's budget. So from your logic, if we count Isla and Asamoah's full sums, we shouldn't count the 8m eur we're paying for Caceres now and the 4.25m we paid for Giaccherini.
We can't calculate the full sum of Isla and Asamoah because they are co-owns and we don't know if we will decide to buy them at all next summer. We are calculating them as co-ownerships, because that's what they are. If we sell Melo's half tomorrow for 7m eur to Inter, with the right to buy him for additional 7m eur next year, we won't count it that we received 14m eur, we count it as 7m eur which will SURELY arrive on our account.
Kinda like Caceres and Giaccherini. We got them last season with rights to buy, but we didn't count those 8m eur for Caceres and 4.25m eur for Giac in last year's budget. We count them in this summer's budget. So from your logic, if we count Isla and Asamoah's full sums, we shouldn't count the 8m eur we're paying for Caceres now and the 4.25m we paid for Giaccherini.
Isla and Asamoah are not Estigarribia like transfers.
My logic was right in the Motta and Quaq co owns as well.
We did not loan them for zero or unsignificant sums and they are not the kind of players that can be shiped back.
It is certain that we will buy them, even if they pull Motta-like performances.
We all know it, just like we knew that we are signing Motta, no matter what. They call it a co-own to justify the installments, we saw that kind of deals in the past and many transfer managers have openly reckoned that they used these kind of tactics to balance the books and make it easier for the clubs to pay those installments in time.
This argument has been used in the past summer deals and it has been disaproved time and time again, so its a waste of time going back there again.
We wont throw away a 15mil investment, only to ship them back... Alen, do you honestly believe that?
We know that Isla and Asamoah will be signed and the sums for their full transfers are already commited.
The decision is made this year, so it wont affect future summer budgets directly, as its pre-calculated.
Considering the annual budget we commit though, their full sum should be considered for this year's budget.
Because we will pay it and we have to consider it sometime (i m perfectly sure noone will consider it next year, as they dont consider Vuciniç and Matri's installments this year)
At any case, the calculate you made is not valid, as it does not includes ALL of the installments we are paying this year from past transfers, so you better not go there...
My logic was right in the Motta and Quaq co owns as well.
We did not loan them for zero or unsignificant sums and they are not the kind of players that can be shiped back.
It is certain that we will buy them, even if they pull Motta-like performances.
We all know it, just like we knew that we are signing Motta, no matter what. They call it a co-own to justify the installments, we saw that kind of deals in the past and many transfer managers have openly reckoned that they used these kind of tactics to balance the books and make it easier for the clubs to pay those installments in time.
This argument has been used in the past summer deals and it has been disaproved time and time again, so its a waste of time going back there again.
We wont throw away a 15mil investment, only to ship them back... Alen, do you honestly believe that?
We know that Isla and Asamoah will be signed and the sums for their full transfers are already commited.
The decision is made this year, so it wont affect future summer budgets directly, as its pre-calculated.
Considering the annual budget we commit though, their full sum should be considered for this year's budget.
Because we will pay it and we have to consider it sometime (i m perfectly sure noone will consider it next year, as they dont consider Vuciniç and Matri's installments this year)
At any case, the calculate you made is not valid, as it does not includes ALL of the installments we are paying this year from past transfers, so you better not go there...