Giuseppe Marotta (130 Viewers)

[enzo]

Continuity is crucial. The stadium, and the rebuilt reputation are going to help too.

Definitely. In contrast to last season, we are unbeaten at the top and there is nothing but praise for the new arena.

 

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[Oggy]

Barzagli was bought as a cheap Italian option. We are looking at his purchase like he was always the player we've seen this season. He transformed under Conte.

Still it's a player that Marotta brought for cheap. If he was Moggi signing, many would consider him as a Cannavaro-esque signing.

Vucinic came in after we lost out on Aguero and possibly every other high profile target Marrotta had mentioned. That too, it was eventually Conte who wanted the wing forward after all other options closed down.

So it's Marotta's fault that City offered crazy money for Aguero and than he joined the. As I remember correctly we already had agreed transfer and than City came in. Also we were linked with Vucinic for whole summer and not just after we lost Aguero. Also it seems that you are close friend of Conte because it seems that you know his every wish.

Caceres is the same player Beppe got rid off a season earlier and didn't renew his loan, so safe to conclude Conte asked for him in January.

Wrong again, Caceres had a signing clause which Marotta thought it's big and rightfully so. And everyone here thought that it was right decision to not sign him. And in the winter it was between him and Guarin. Of course that Conte had a role in his signing, I don't want a manager who will sign players without coach's approval. They need to work as a team.

As for Vidal, to the best of my knowledge, I could be wrong about this but Marrotta wanted Inler, it was Conte who asked for Vidal.

Even if you are right, this proves how good pair Marotta and Conte are. And again Marotta listened to Conte and brought him player he wanted.

Licht too said it was the phone call from Conte that convinced him to join Juve.

Conte convinced him, but again it was Marotta who bought him. It's normal that players talk with the coach and hear his plans.

Point is, the money was well spent in the absence of the high profile signings that were promised. And in his time with Juve he has spent a lot of the club's money, almost to a failing degree. The reason why everybody calls this scudetto a miracle, is because Conte transformed a team that lacked world class quality into champions. For the amount of money we have spent, we could and should have had bigger players on our books. This season, there are no excuses. Because its pretty evident that a large part of the credit is owed to Conte's work and methods. Not Marrotta's prowess in the market. This season for me is what will eventually decide Marrotta's fate as a GM worthy of Juve or not in the long run.

I partly agree with this part. Conte played a huge role in our success. But also it's not right to not give any credit to Marotta. He brought players that Conte wanted, and both of the are reason why won Scudetto. Did Marotta made mistakes? Of course he did. But even Moggi made them (O'neill, Baiocco etc.).

What my point is that for everything good that happened to our club it's because we were lucky, Conte etc. And for everything bad it's because Marotta... In this mercato Marotta should prove himself, but also let's be real and lower a little bit our ambitions. When I say lower, I mean let's not pretend that real life is Football Manager and that we can't bring 2 WC strikers, midfielders and defenders. As Marotta said we will ad quality and by that I think he means one WC player, others will be solid players.

Also let's not forget that we were never a club like Madrid or Chelsea, City, Barca, that every season brings WC players. We always been a solid team made of hardworking players and few WC players, and this Juve is finally starting to look like that team again.

 

[Lion]

Barzagli was bought as a cheap Italian option. We are looking at his purchase like he was always the player we've seen this season. He transformed under Conte.

Vucinic came in after we lost out on Aguero and possibly every other high profile target Marrotta had mentioned. That too, it was eventually Conte who wanted the wing forward after all other options closed down.

Caceres is the same player Beppe got rid off a season earlier and didn't renew his loan, so safe to conclude Conte asked for him in January.

As for Vidal, to the best of my knowledge, I could be wrong about this but Marrotta wanted Inler, it was Conte who asked for Vidal.

Licht too said it was the phone call from Conte that convinced him to join Juve.

Pirlo, however, was all Marrotta because this deal was sealed even before Conte was hired.

Point is, the money was well spent in the absence of the high profile signings that were promised. And in his time with Juve he has spent a lot of the club's money, almost to a failing degree. The reason why everybody calls this scudetto a miracle, is because Conte transformed a team that lacked world class quality into champions. For the amount of money we have spent, we could and should have had bigger players on our books. This season, there are no excuses. Because its pretty evident that a large part of the credit is owed to Conte's work and methods. Not Marrotta's prowess in the market. This season for me is what will eventually decide Marrotta's fate as a GM worthy of Juve or not in the long run.

and yet you would have praised the genius of moggi if it had been him who signed those players.

 

[baggio]

I partly agree with this part. Conte played a huge role in our success. But also it's not right to not give any credit to Marotta. He brought players that Conte wanted, and both of the are reason why won Scudetto. Did Marotta made mistakes? Of course he did. But even Moggi made them (O'neill, Baiocco etc.).

What my point is that for everything good that happened to our club it's because we were lucky, Conte etc. And for everything bad it's because Marotta... In this mercato Marotta should prove himself, but also let's be real and lower a little bit our ambitions. When I say lower, I mean let's not pretend that real life is Football Manager and that we can't bring 2 WC strikers, midfielders and defenders. As Marotta said we will ad quality and by that I think he means one WC player, others will be solid players.

Also let's not forget that we were never a club like Madrid or Chelsea, City, Barca, that every season brings WC players. We always been a solid team made of hardworking players and few WC players, and this Juve is finally starting to look like that team again.

There's a lot you're forgetting Oggy. Look at players like Bonnucci and Pepe who have made giant strides this season. These were players Marrotta had bought and overpaid for last season, only to want to get rid off this season.it was Conte who stopped him from doing so and transformed them with his belief in them. Marrotta has never seemed very sure of his market movement because if you see the no. of players he bought last season and this season, you'll realise he doesn't have very clear plans. Getting a second season and access to Juve's funds was a blessing for him because it allowed him to spend more and find some players who worked, but really it is Conte who had clear ideas and roles for every player on the team. Look at Ziegler for example, we got him and loaned him out in the same summer. It's clear Marrotta was also working independently at certain times. Had we still had Del Neri as coach, this wouldn't have been a scudetto winning team.i can guarantee you that much. My main grouse against Marrotta has been his inability to identify quality and a hoarding mentality that one finds at smaller clubs. Even in the January market, we got rid of Toni and got in Borriello, and got rid of Pazienza and got in Padoin. Both replacements didn't improve the team anymore than the earlier two players did.

I also dont agree about lowering ambitions this season. As Champions of Italy, and a lot of outgoing players, we should easily have the necessary funds to negotiate at least two quality players. And it's funny you say we are not Madrid or Chelsea, yet we have spent as much as Man City in the last two seasons if my memory serves me right. I know for a fact that Conte has worked a miracle with a lesser team and for Marrotta to earn a creditworthy presence as GM, he's going to have to make things happen this summer.

 

[baggio]

and yet you would have praised the genius of moggi if it had been him who signed those players.

Moggi was very sure of people he invested in. Look at the kind of money we spent on guys like Viera, Emerson, Camoranesi, Zalatan. And even though we spent tonnes on guys like Thuram, Nedved and Gigi but see how long and how much quality that core of players provided. I just think the main difference between them was that Moggi was very sure about the players he was getting and had clear ideas on how they would fit into the team. He also had superior negotiation skills which Marrotta very clearly seems to lack. But that's just me.

 

[j0ker]

Moggi was very sure of people he invested in. Look at the kind of money we spent on guys like Viera, Emerson, Camoranesi, Zalatan. And even though we spent tonnes on guys like Thuram, Nedved and Gigi but see how long and how much quality that core of players provided. I just think the main difference between them was that Moggi was very sure about the players he was getting and had clear ideas on how they would fit into the team. He also had superior negotiation skills which Marrotta very clearly seems to lack. But that's just me.

It's time to bring up again the list of players who were massive flops under Moggi.

 

[baggio]

Bring em up with the amounts spent on em though.

 

[only-juve]

It's time to bring up again the list of players who were massive flops under Moggi.

Zidane, Del Piero, cannavaro how much did those guys cost again ?

Need to say more ?

 

[Itztli]

Salas, O'nell.

Need I say more?

 

[j0ker]

Bring em up with the amounts spent on em though.

Too lazy to dig up but they were posted many times.

Zidane, Del Piero, cannavaro how much did those guys cost again ?


Need to say more ?

Last time I checked I was talking about flops, or you have problems understanding?

 

[Primitive]

Barzagli was bought as a cheap Italian option. We are looking at his purchase like he was always the player we've seen this season. He transformed under Conte.

Vucinic came in after we lost out on Aguero and possibly every other high profile target Marrotta had mentioned. That too, it was eventually Conte who wanted the wing forward after all other options closed down.

Caceres is the same player Beppe got rid off a season earlier and didn't renew his loan, so safe to conclude Conte asked for him in January.

As for Vidal, to the best of my knowledge, I could be wrong about this but Marrotta wanted Inler, it was Conte who asked for Vidal.

Licht too said it was the phone call from Conte that convinced him to join Juve.

Pirlo, however, was all Marrotta because this deal was sealed even before Conte was hired.

Point is, the money was well spent in the absence of the high profile signings that were promised. And in his time with Juve he has spent a lot of the club's money, almost to a failing degree. The reason why everybody calls this scudetto a miracle, is because Conte transformed a team that lacked world class quality into champions. For the amount of money we have spent, we could and should have had bigger players on our books. This season, there are no excuses. Because its pretty evident that a large part of the credit is owed to Conte's work and methods. Not Marrotta's prowess in the market. This season for me is what will eventually decide Marrotta's fate as a GM worthy of Juve or not in the long run.

Wow you are not sure about half of the things you said about the deals marotta closed. Give him the credit he deserves. Only pirlo missing from those transfers and we would not be a scudetto winners this season. Simple as that.

 

[KB824]

Zidane, Del Piero, cannavaro how much did those guys cost again ?

Need to say more ?

Incorrect.


Del Piero signed in 1993.

Moggi came on board in 1994

 

[only-juve]

Salas, O'nell.

Need I say more?

Add athirson too, How much did those guys cost us Combined? 20-30 mil ?

Zidane alone gave us a 75 mil euros profit and we signed the guy for less than 5 millions. Del Piero cost us probably less than a million, canna was Exchanged with goddamn Fabián Carini out of all players.

I know that you guys hate Moggi for the whole calciopoli thing (or for whatever reason) but to question the guys brilliant work in the market with us is a

 

[baggio]

Less than 20m. All of Moggi's flops or at least a majority of them had cost us close to nothing.

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Wow you are not sure about half of the things you said about the deals marotta closed. Give him the credit he deserves. Only pirlo missing from those transfers and we would not be a scudetto winners this season. Simple as that.

So what you're saying is Pirlo would anyway make this team win the scudetto? Even if Conte was stubborn enough to stick with the 424 and not have had the players he preferred? Ok. I'd like to buy your theory, but no thank you.

 

[KB824]

Less than 20m. All of Moggi's flops had cost us close to nothing.

But you are going off of sales prices that are 10 years old.


Honestly, it is an unfair way to prove anyone's argument in this matter unless you count for inflation.



Baiocco for example was purchased for 7.2 million back in 2002. Who knows what that value would translate to today?

 

[Itztli]

Add athirson too, How much did those guys cost us Combined? 20-30 mil ?

Zidane alone gave us a 75 mil euros profit and we signed the guy for less than 5 millions. Del Piero cost us probably less than a million, canna was Exchanged with goddamn Fabián Carini out of all players.

I know that you guys hate Moggi for the whole calciopoli thing (or for whatever reason) but to question the guys brilliant work in the market with us is a

Where did you get the idea that I Hate Moggi?

He was a great GM and all, but the way your painting him sound like he was perfect and could do no wrong.

 

[KB824]

Add athirson too, How much did those guys cost us Combined? 20-30 mil ?

Zidane alone gave us a 75 mil euros profit and we signed the guy for less than 5 millions. Del Piero cost us probably less than a million, canna was Exchanged with goddamn Fabián Carini out of all players.

I know that you guys hate Moggi for the whole calciopoli thing (or for whatever reason) but to question the guys brilliant work in the market with us is a

No one is questioning his brilliant work, but the way that you, and others make it sound, one would be led to believe that this guy made no mistakes whatsoever, and in reality, he made more than a few.

 

[only-juve]

Incorrect.


Del Piero signed in 1993.

Moggi came on board in 1994

Fine take Del Piero out of that list, what about Davids, Nedved, Gigi, Zidane and all the rest of brilliant players that we had under him. His last big signing was Zlatan and we all have seen how brilliant he was and still is in serie A.

 

[KB824]

Fine take Del Piero out of that list, what about Davids, Nedved, Gigi, Zidane and all the rest of brilliant players that we had under him. His last big signing was Zlatan and we all have seen how brilliant he was and still is in serie A.

Again, no one is questioning his work in the transfer market, but he was not perfect. He made several costly mistakes. that is all I am trying to point out.

 

[only-juve]

Where did you get the idea that I Hate Moggi?

He was a great GM and all, but the way your painting him sound like he was perfect and could do no wrong.

No one is questioning his brilliant work, but the way that you, and others make it sound, one would be led to believe that this guy made no mistakes whatsoever, and in reality, he made more than a few.

No one is Perfect, Moggi definitely wasn't perfect.