Valerio.

Senior Member
Jul 5, 2014
5,762
if i gave you 120 mil to fill holes in attack and midfield, would you get mandzukic?
Exactly!

Fekir 30-45m
Pjanic 25-32m
Berardi 10m
Dybala 36m (il Palermo ci ha preso 2 primavera a 2m l'uno. Goldaniga e un altro quindi 40nominali ma 36 di fatto)
Kurzawa 22m (mettiamo la cifra per cui l'ha preso il PSG)
Cuadrado 0m (prestito secco)
Llorente 0m (era già nostro)
(Khedira 0m) (non so. Influisce a livello salariale)

How i would have spent the money

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if i gave you 120 mil to fill holes in attack and midfield, would you get mandzukic?
Exactly!

Fekir 30-45m
Pjanic 25-32m
Berardi 10m
Dybala 36m (il Palermo ci ha preso 2 primavera a 2m l'uno. Goldaniga e un altro quindi 40nominali ma 36 di fatto)
Kurzawa 22m (mettiamo la cifra per cui l'ha preso il PSG)
Cuadrado 0m (prestito secco)
Llorente 0m (era già nostro)
(Khedira 0m) (non so. Influisce a livello salariale)
well a bit more than 127spent this summer
How i would have spent the money
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,029
Exactly!

Fekir 30-45m
Pjanic 25-32m
Berardi 10m
Dybala 36m (il Palermo ci ha preso 2 primavera a 2m l'uno. Goldaniga e un altro quindi 40nominali ma 36 di fatto)
Kurzawa 22m (mettiamo la cifra per cui l'ha preso il PSG)
Cuadrado 0m (prestito secco)
Llorente 0m (era già nostro)
(Khedira 0m) (non so. Influisce a livello salariale)

How i would have spent the money
:lol2:

Do you really see Roma selling us Pjanić, one of their most important players for 30m?
 

DeviAngel

Senior Member
Oct 3, 2014
3,687
Exactly!

Fekir 30-45m
Pjanic 25-32m
Berardi 10m
Dybala 36m (il Palermo ci ha preso 2 primavera a 2m l'uno. Goldaniga e un altro quindi 40nominali ma 36 di fatto)
Kurzawa 22m (mettiamo la cifra per cui l'ha preso il PSG)
Cuadrado 0m (prestito secco)
Llorente 0m (era già nostro)
(Khedira 0m) (non so. Influisce a livello salariale)

How i would have spent the money

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Exactly!

Fekir 30-45m
Pjanic 25-32m
Berardi 10m
Dybala 36m (il Palermo ci ha preso 2 primavera a 2m l'uno. Goldaniga e un altro quindi 40nominali ma 36 di fatto)
Kurzawa 22m (mettiamo la cifra per cui l'ha preso il PSG)
Cuadrado 0m (prestito secco)
Llorente 0m (era già nostro)
(Khedira 0m) (non so. Influisce a livello salariale)
well a bit more than 127spent this summer
How i would have spent the money
Do you really believe that Roma would sell pjanic for 25-32 especially to us and IMO reports last and this summer said Barca bid 40m for his and they got rejected. Aulas asked for Sandro Lopez 30m :lol: you think they'll sell Fekir for 40? No way.
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,615
What would you have done instead of letting them go?

Keep a Pirlo who is clearly over the hill and not able to play competitively for 90 minutes, even after he's had a week of rest since the last game?
Keep a Tevez who wants to leave, after what happened in City when he was unsatisfied with the way the club dealt with his preferences?
Keep a Vidal who made it clear to the club that he wants to leave?

I don't see it. I see us reacting to what is happening, not the management provoking this. On paper they've done quite well to mend the squad and launch a new project, and I'm just excited to see where it goes from here.
I was not intending to blame management for letting them go, my point was merely that this squad did not peak as it would have been even stronger this season if the three players have stayed one more year and we added players on top of them (any of Dybala, Mandzukic, Sandro). Even during last season, we barely got anything out of Vidal and apart from a few matches here and there (Olymiakos) Pirlo was not a key player he just did his job (basic distribution of the ball and organizing the midfield). So primarily we can give little credit to Pirlo and substantially less to Vidal for what we achieved. Tevez was absolutely instrumental ofcoarse. In other words, even last year that wasn't the full potential of the squad that we already had. I think its really obvious that this squad did not peak.


About what I would have done differently, I'd have tried to convince the players to stay on one more year. Show them the club's ambition in the market and how far the team is expected to progress. I'd have told Vidal that he would add a lot to a team that was doing very well without him. I'd tell him that if he regains the form from previous seasons he will be like a new signing. I'd tell them we are bringing in Mandzukic and Dybala to bolster the attack and a world class Lb, that Pogba is growing into a monster, that starting this season Juve's ambition and chances are on par with Bayern's. I'd offer him a financial bonus or year extension with an improved contract that has a release clause into it. Things of that sort. If all fails I'd force Vidal and Tevez to stay one more year.

Now I dont know what Marotta and co tried on Vidal and Tevez to convince them to stay so they might have already done all that can be done but the picture we get atleast from the media is that we were lenient. Vidal especially needed a harsher treatment. He has a career to care about and we do have leverage against him. He came off a very bad season and so if we had told him he is not going anywhere... he'd be faced to choose either to recover his form with Juve or to spend a year on the bench (making it 2 bad years for him). Many teams refuse the exit of some of their players and get them to play properly again we wouldn't be the first. This would work to a less extent on Tevez and Pirlo ofcoarse but again none of them would want a year doing nothing or in the case of Pirlo a forced retirement. We could have been strict atleast with Vidal.

On a side note, people here like to hate on Pirlo thinking that he was terrible last season. This is completely false. He was not the pirlo of the 3 previous seasons sure but in terms of performing the basic duties of distributing the ball and organizing the midfield and being a reference point he was still very effective. You saw what its like to have midfielders that can't distribute the last two matches. Pirlo always performed this job well even if he stopped doing the amazing through balls we all love him for. Pirlo even at his worst linked our midfield together. We will see this year whenever marchisio is absent how difficult pirlo's basic duties really are for the likes of Hernanes and Pogba.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,029
Do you really believe that Roma would sell pjanic for 25-32 especially to us and IMO reports last and this summer said Barca bid 40m for his and they got rejected. Aulas asked for Sandro Lopez 30m :lol: you think they'll sell Fekir for 40? No way.
I love those lists, we could have gotten this and that player. My absolute favorite is if we only offered few milions more. Marotta's 30 years of experience is irrelevant, since apparently every tuzzer can do it better.
 

Valerio.

Senior Member
Jul 5, 2014
5,762
Do you really believe that Roma would sell pjanic for 25-32 especially to us and IMO reports last and this summer said Barca bid 40m for his and they got rejected. Aulas asked for Sandro Lopez 30m :lol: you think they'll sell Fekir for 40? No way.
Guys instead of doing this why don't you try the little game he proposed?
We spent 127m this summer what would you do with these money?
Let's see the pundit.

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Oh and you were there when Barca offered and so on right? XD
 

DeviAngel

Senior Member
Oct 3, 2014
3,687
Guys instead of doing this why don't you try the little game he proposed?
We spent 127m this summer what would you do with these money?
Let's see the pundit.

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Oh and you were there when Barca offered and so on right? XD
I said REPORTS and not just one multiple. After they got rejected they signed Rakitic.
 

dolph

Senior Member
Mar 30, 2006
2,599
Guys instead of doing this why don't you try the little game he proposed?
We spent 127m this summer what would you do with these money?
Let's see the pundit.

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Oh and you were there when Barca offered and so on right? XD
I think your valuation of Pjanic and Fekir are of. Just out of curriosity. Why would you buy both Pjanic and Fekir. They would play the same position and you would already have spend 80 mio. of the 120 mio.
 

Valerio.

Senior Member
Jul 5, 2014
5,762
I think your valuation of Pjanic and Fekir are of. Just out of curriosity. Why would you buy both Pjanic and Fekir. They would play the same position and you would already have spend 80 mio. of the 120 mio.
Pjanic is more a midfieler while Fekir more like a striker. Infact in futhead he is listed as Striker.
I'd like him to play behind the 2 strikers Morata-Dybala
And have Pjanic between Pogba and Marchisio haing

Marchisio-Pjanic-Pogba
----------Fekir
Morata-------Dybala
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,985
Its not like last season we were unstoppable in Europe. We barely scraped through the group stage, being dominated by Atletico, we struggled against Olympiakos, needed some good fortune to overcome an out of form madrid and were completely out played by Barca. The team over performed last season and a lot of things worked out in our favor but I wouldn't say the squad peaked and required an overhaul. Tevez and Vidal still have plenty of world class football in them only Pirlo needed to be given a bench/rotational role.

We needed an overhaul because we let go of 3 key players not because these players couldnt give any more good football. Inter peaked in their treble season.. almost not a single player from that team was able to perform anywhere near that level during that year. We did not peak... we hit the reset button because we couldn't talk our best players in to staying. This season we start all over.
This.
We ran with a lot of luck on our side the last run. We could have easily faced stronger teams and crashed out way early. It was a hell of a ride, but a very lucky one.

Isn't that the Italian way?
Well its not a valid excuse as we were poor overall in the group stage until allegri decided to ditch the 352.

Have you seen him peak? Thank you very much.

If you plan on using a classic #9 Mandzukic is close to as good as it gets today. Now I didn't see the Roma game, but I think he did a fine job against Udinese.
He wasted like 3 clear goals against udinese, and was MIA the whole roma game. He is llorente all over again as of today.
 

Nzoric

Grazie Mirko
Jan 16, 2011
37,869
it is not a conversation, you are being your usual sophist self:'Have you seen him peak? Thank you very much.' :sergio: additionally, you dont even watch our games(and not just the roma game) let alone other teams'
You wrote off the purchase and investment in Rugani when you didn't include him in players that should have a place at an elite team. The only reason I wrote Rugani in my post was to get this reaction from you - none of us know what will happen this season but you seem negative about almost everything the club has done a priori. It just doesn't line up with how I'm a fan of the club so I have to react.

How do you know what games I watch?
 

duranfj

Senior Member
Jul 30, 2015
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Midfield. 0 to -1 point. We had the best midfield in the world (said whatever you want but its true) and now we would have to fight to become the best in serie a
Defense. 3 points. Our defense was really good now with AS and rugani is better.
Attack. 3 points. Hardly replace tevez but dybala+madzukic+keep morata. Deals zaza and llorente didn't make more sense.
Goalie. 1 point. Neto for free is really good.

Worst. Lost Draxler. Gave Vidal+ coman for 37+7 to fucking bayern. Llorente for free.
Best. AS, JGC, Dybala, keep pobga and morata.

6/10
 

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